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Lance is also a freak of nature. Check out his VO2 and training regime, at the time. Yes, he doped, and I wish it weren't the case, but I still think he would've developed into a "3 week rider", and won a couple tours. I'm obviously an Armstrong backer, but I'll admit, I hate that he turned out to be a cheat.
 
Most def. Lance had some genetics on his side.He was a tri champion in his younger yrs.When he went over to cycling in Europe he was a good stocky one day champion & won a stage in the tour in 1995 at Limoges,dedicating it to his fallen Teamate Fabio Casartelli.In 1993 at age 21 he took the rainbow jersy at the Oslo world Champs.

When he came back fr. Cancer he was lighter wt. the same engine & a high RPM on the pedals,which made him deadly in the Mountains.Only the pure climber Marco Pantani could take him on the steep slopes.(another drug user,died of a cocane overdose).Armstrong was also great at Time Trials.That combo won him a few tours.That & one minded fierce competiveness.

Was he a cheater & tell lies,yes.Character Flaws without a doubt,but really how many lives did he destroy,a bully yes,but he didn't kill anybody.Hurt some feelings brought some lawsuits that's about it.Got caught
 
Made lots I iOS people some great money too....
 
i wonder what percentage of competitive cyclists don't cheat. it's my understanding that it's pretty endemic...
 
Had no idea that was another name for rock/paper/scissors...thought it was a South Park reference:

[video=youtube;WcVI64IbkIs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcVI64IbkIs[/video]
 
Reinhold Messner at the age of 60 had a resting rate of 42.

Just sayin....

My sports heros are the non-doping type.
 
Mozart at the age of 60 had a heart rate of 0.

Although he might have been a doper.
 
:lol2:my pulse is still slow & I'm full of hot air still tho sometimes I feel half dead.
 
Being "built for the sport" is why the runners from the high altitude areas of North Africa do so well in distance running . They have evolved the large lungs, but for some reason, perhaps because they don't live THAt high up, they are still tall an skinny and don't have the short, stocky build that you see on the folks that live WAY up in places like the Andes. One of the best examples in recent history of an athlete being perfectly built for a sport was Janet Evans at age 14-15. She was two giant lungs and four skinny limbs with big hands and feet, so she skeetered across the top fo the water all day long. When she came back for her second Olympics at 19 or so, she was still the best in her events, but she was slower because she had filled out and sat slightly lower in the water as a result. How long did that one record that she set at an age too young for most of the Olympics events today stand? The one other woman that I have seen in my lifetime who was PERFECTLY built for her chosen field was the ballerina Gelsey Kirkland.
keithsaltydog said:
Right Lemond had a huge lung capacity,Miguel Indurain had a resting pulse of 27.
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I don't feel that Lance doping during his career to get ahead in competition truly matters. In my opinion he did nothing wrong on that end. Unless they are planning on banning protein powders and creatine, every professional athlete in most sports will use some sort of performance enhancing supplement one way or another. The whole doping argument is pretty pointless. The human body was not made to do what many record breaking athletes tend to accomplish every year on 3 square meals a day. A hearty breakfast and plenty of water just won't cut it. I won't say I'm a Lance supporter because I'm not a cycling fan, but I don't feel the need to demonize him either. A lifetime ban from all competition is more than just a statement or making an example.

What I AM sickened by is Armstrong's pathetic lack of willpower and coming clean after so much fierce denial, AND by the fact that he apparently has plans to turn into the same backstabbing snitch that he fought so fiercely against beforehand. It amazes me how he (or any athlete) could have earned millions upon millions of dollars over the years, and yet still need a source of income? To go so far as to take out a line of credit on his property? It could be because of the potential lawsuits that will be coming soon, but all of those headaches were easily avoidable.

Also, his whining about being singled out is a true shame. What made him think he could win a record breaking 7 Tours and get away scot-free? No one cares about the lowly amateur fighter who has a few wins on his card. Once you become heavy weight champion though, everyone is now gunning for you. This is true in every sport.
 
Chef Doom said:
Unless they are planning on banning protein powders and creatine, every professional athlete in most sports will use some sort of performance enhancing supplement one way or another. The whole doping argument is pretty pointless. The human body was not made to do what many record breaking athletes tend to accomplish every year on 3 square meals a day. A hearty breakfast and plenty of water just won't cut it.
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Wow. So you mean Growth Hormone works like a protein shake? :scratchhead:

10 years ago I lived in a student house for athletics-school. Since I was the only one there with any clue about dietary requirements and such and I had a friend weight lifter there, I made a diet for him, I remember clearly he was allowed to eat a lot and had 9 mealtimes a day. Apart from blood checks and other magic and all kinds of shakes.
Nothing needing a prescription though.
I dont remember now how much the thriathlon girls ate, but that was not two boiled eggs and a banana.
 
Chef Doom said:
I don't feel that Lance doping during his career to get ahead in competition truly matters. In my opinion he did nothing wrong on that end. Unless they are planning on banning protein powders and creatine, every professional athlete in most sports will use some sort of performance enhancing supplement one way or another. The whole doping argument is pretty pointless. The human body was not made to do what many record breaking athletes tend to accomplish every year on 3 square meals a day. A hearty breakfast and plenty of water just won't cut it.
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I think most performance enhancing drugs are banned because they can be dangerous through misuse.There is a pretty big difference between dietary supplements and steroids etc. The human body is not meant to do what many athletes do, that is why some guys win all the time whereas the guy who trains just as hard comes last every race, it should be about who is just better, not who is doping and who isn't
 
stevenStefano said:
I think most performance enhancing drugs are banned because they can be dangerous through misuse.
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Sure, but it's not going to go away, and it is a consensual activity, so there is no compelling reason to ban it. Better to get it out in the open.
 
Doom I agree wt alot you say,It is true the bigger they are the harder they fall.I do not see how he could have avoided this,except never to cheat in the first place.If he admitted use during the tours he would be expelled,then he made history by winning more Tours than any other cyclist,an extreamly hard thing to do.He lied to retain his place in history.

My guess that for a guy like Lance Fame is more important than fortune.The little boy left by his Father can fuel the fires for becoming famous.It would not be the first time.In his mindset he had to preserve his place in history at any cost with money & Lawyers.It is unfortunate but true that often that which we resist the most is what we get in the end.
 
nah...if something happens that's interesting, I'll catch it on youtube :)
 
bieniek said:
Wow. So you mean Growth Hormone works like a protein shake? :scratchhead:
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Naturally they work differently, but the underlying purpose and reason for an athlete to take either are the same. Basically they wish to gain an edge or push their body over a current threshold that they may have difficulty doing naturally.

bieniek said:
10 years ago I lived in a student house for athletics-school.
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I understand your point in mentioning your experience, which is why I specifically stated professional athletes. Amateurs and students who compete through universities normally (with exception to olympians and highly sports oriented colleges) do not have the money or resources to have a proper regular doping regime. It doesn't really become a major important factor until the only thing standing between you and a 10 million dollar contract is a weekly injection


stevenStefano said:
I think most performance enhancing drugs are banned because they can be dangerous through misuse.There is a pretty big difference between dietary supplements and steroids etc.
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There are many reasons why various athletic commissions and regulators ban various supplements and drugs. Outside of the moral question revolved around "cheating", I believe the heart of the matter is that because it would be so difficult to regulate and nearly impossible to design some kind of uniformity, it is simply easier to ban and deny. Also what people tend to forget is that there are many dietary supplements that are banned from various athletic commissions and regulating bodies. I can't recall what because I don't keep up with the latest ban lists, but I have heard of many kids training for the olympics having to research and compare the ingredients list of anything they may be taking from a health supply store to keep from testing positive for anything against regulation. I remember an article several years ago of someone being stripped of a title because they tested positive for a substance that they got at their local GNC. (That's a dietary supply store for those wondering). I believe they were considering banning Viagra from the Olympics very recently. It might sound funny, cause it is funny as hell, but Viagra increases blood flow, which allows more oxygen to entire the muscles more quickly which delays muscle fatigue, etc, etc.

But hey, for $10 million, I'd gladly pitch a tent on national television. I would just dry the tears of shame with a fan of Benjamins ($100 US) :happymug:.
 
Armstrong admitted to using EPO and doing the tranfuson thing, which was no surprise because those appear to be the most common types of doping in cycling. He also admitted to using testosterone, but with only one nut, how would you tell if he was "suplementing?" :lol2:. Perhaps the most interesting thing to come out of this interview is Armstrong's assertion that he quit doping after he retired in 2005, which makes sense, and that he didn't start up again when he tried to come back in 2009. I don't see any reason why he would lie about that at this point and from what I have heard, by that time, they were able to test for a lot of the stuff that they couldn't detect in say 1999. Does that mean that everyone had quit for the most part because you couldn't get away with it anymore? With no doping and a 4 year layoff, Armstrong was still able to place third in the Tour D' France. That's impressive. Hell, it would have been impressive even if he started doping again because of his age and the layoff. It would be even more amazing if we knew that the guys who finished ahead of him were doping..
 
******* said:
With no doping and a 4 year layoff, Armstrong was still able to place third in the Tour D' France. That's impressive. Hell, it would have been impressive even if he started doping again because of his age and the layoff. It would be even more amazing if we knew that the guys who finished ahead of him were doping..
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Alberto Contador probably was on dope in 2009 when he won, his 2010 win was vacated after his own doping scandal. Andy Schleck took second in both events and has since been awarded the 2010 crown. There have been rumors about Andy, but then again there have been rumors about everyone, overall he is viewed as clean I would say.
 
2011 Australia's first win in the tour wt.Cadel Evans,Aus. has always had some good sprinters,glad to see they got a tour win.

2012 England won wt.Bradly Wiggins

I would like to see a Scottish champion,there have been some good riders come out of Scotland.
 
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