Possible Lamson Collaboration Line of Knives
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old hickory profile wouldn't be so bad either =D
but yeah sabs is good
seems to me the top sab on is the original profile then when it got used the profile started to look like the one on the bottom.... just an observation (i'm more than likely wrong, lol)
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If you are referring to this knife, I'd be happy to provide measurements. It is close to a Sabatier profile, but not exact. The tip is a little lower.
I've got a question about the grind.
Why the "combo flat/upper convex (as I call it, almond) grind"? The best performing knives I've used/owned are extremely thin behind the edge, but were also convex ground on the lower half of the knife above the edge (e.g., SFGZ Carter - which is convexed in the lower half and concave in the upper half, Mario, Kochi, Gesshin Ginga - slightly convexed because it's a laser). Also, IIRC, the Tilman knife I used and the Gengetsu I used had convex grinds in the lower half of the blade above the edge.
Why the "combo flat/upper convex (as I call it, almond) grind"? The best performing knives I've used/owned are extremely thin behind the edge, but were also convex ground on the lower half of the knife above the edge (e.g., SFGZ Carter - which is convexed in the lower half and concave in the upper half, Mario, Kochi, Gesshin Ginga - slightly convexed because it's a laser). Also, IIRC, the Tilman knife I used and the Gengetsu I used had convex grinds in the lower half of the blade above the edge.
Sab/KS shape sounds very interesting indeed. Skip the bolster for sure. Wa handle??? Nothing too flashy but utilitarian for the handle. I'm pretty attached to the flat left side in Japanese blades, but if the grind is right, I can get into a 50/50. I'd love to see something close to a Suisin IH in feel but with a bit more of the Sab/KS profile.
Technically, not flat...very very slight convex at the bottom. However, to go thin, it has to be fairly flat just above the edge. Convex up above "above the edge" for release. Though that will all be part of the testing stages. For now, profile is what we need to start with.
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If you are referring to this knife, I'd be happy to provide measurements. It is close to a Sabatier profile, but not exact. The tip is a little lower.
Yes! This is a nice profile IMO. Not to derail- but I think it's somewhat pertinent- how does it perform Rick? And I'm speaking strictly in regards to the blade profile btw.
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Sab profile - K Fed's bottom pic
O1 @ 61
Possibility of buying without handle? I'm sure half of them wil end up being rehandled anyway.
O1 @ 61
Possibility of buying without handle? I'm sure half of them wil end up being rehandled anyway.
I agree. This profile looks really good. 01 somewhere at 61-63. I like both style handles but that'll be for later
Nah, I think we're gong with the whole kit on this one. Maybe it's ego, or a desire for order, but I want these to at least start out all the same. Don't worry, though, the handles will be great...when we get there. 
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Id like to be in on this, although I am not as knowledgable as most here on profiles and what not. Still love me a great knife.
I always loved the profile of the sab on the bottom. Nice flat spot without too much belly in the tip.
+1 to that.
You can get vintage ones in carbon, though the blades are often bent. A new one in state-of-the-art semi-stainless, with an unbent blade and 3 brass rivets in the handle, would be a stone winner.
I would definitely be in on this! I really like the look of the bottom sab K-fed posted. And since it's an 'hommage' to ODC's I think it should be carbon and western handle. Maybe a take on forgecrafts handles. But what do I know? Great initiative, Tom!
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Pierre's interpretation of the Sabatier profile performs extremely well. The curve of the edge starts a bit earlier, and adds a "gyuto flavor" to the profile, if that makes any sense. I'd have to flip a coin to decide which I favor, Pierre's or the classic.
Pierre and I have bee discussing this all day, and we don't think it's a good idea to do an exact replica of anything. However, he would be more than fine with it being like his, but with a couple tweaks I'd like to see (and you guys). I'm thinking tighten up the ricasso, or even make it a bit angled, rather than curved. Thoughts?
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Agreed that this knife should not be a copy, especially one of the custom makers we support on KKF.
k-fed's bottom sabatier profile in O1 @ 61 HRC sounds grand to me. I had suggested a forgecraft profile as that strikes me as an american knife (no doubt the result of KKF). And an updated version would be nice. However, a sabatier in harder steel is something that doesn't exist in the market (at least to my knowledge) and this would have much broader appeal.
Anyways, I'm down for a knife.
k-fed's bottom sabatier profile in O1 @ 61 HRC sounds grand to me. I had suggested a forgecraft profile as that strikes me as an american knife (no doubt the result of KKF). And an updated version would be nice. However, a sabatier in harder steel is something that doesn't exist in the market (at least to my knowledge) and this would have much broader appeal.
Anyways, I'm down for a knife.
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Honestly, the input seems fairly consistent and I think that with a little bit of 'help' from Pierre that you will wind up making something that works great for most everyone. That being said, I will show my ignorance (even after a site and google search) and ask what exactly is the ricasso? Seems to be near the handle, but I can't picture it even with pictures. :newhere:
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Hi guys, I'm with Tom on this one, with regards to copying a major brand. But tweaking, and changing thins enough to keep the "spirit" of the design is fairly safe. Don't be afraid of using my profile. Even tweaking it. I'm happy to use it.
Great, so this will be a true KKF knife. I'm in.
+1 for modern Sab: No bolster, CPM 154 or AEB-L steel, KKF etching, maybe really special lot of handle wood (from Burl Source perhaps?)
Saya or leather sheath to make it really special?
+1 for modern Sab: No bolster, CPM 154 or AEB-L steel, KKF etching, maybe really special lot of handle wood (from Burl Source perhaps?)
Saya or leather sheath to make it really special?
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I've used the AEB-L that has come out of Lamson and it left a lot to be desired.
I'm totally in on this. Love the idea of the bottom Sab in carbon, but the singer cpm154 doesn't bad either. My choice would be carbon though.
As for the blade, a strong distal taper will be great! And I think a western "coke bottle" handle makes perfect sense, given the nature of the assignment, it's "origin" and the company making it. Lamson used to make a beautiful cherry wood handle, I have a couple, that wood look nice.
Tom, count me in!
As for the blade, a strong distal taper will be great! And I think a western "coke bottle" handle makes perfect sense, given the nature of the assignment, it's "origin" and the company making it. Lamson used to make a beautiful cherry wood handle, I have a couple, that wood look nice.
Tom, count me in!
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I'd be nice if we could keep the steel, wood, etc. reasonable so that the price would be within the reach of some of us ordinary people...but I suspect that isn't likely to happen. ;-).
I second this. Great idea though! If we can keep it under the $100 mark it'll be a knife for the people!
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Well, I think that would be too much to hope for (if even possible) but under 200 would be good. (Not gonna happen. <g>)
