Aggregated List of Splash and Go you can soak/perma soak?

[SolidSnake03]

Hey All,

So my recent thread about the Suehiro Cerax and perma soaking got me thinking that there really is no aggregate resource for finding out if splash and go stones can be perma soaked or soaked at all. I feel this would be super handy for newer user or folks just looking for that information since right now you have to go to a bunch of different retails to find that out if they say so at all. So maybe it could be something mods could sticky if we build up a bunch of the info here. Feel free to post splash and go that can be soaked/perma soaked and ones that can’t. Also feel free to throw any soakers in here too that can be perma soaked although I would assume most all soakers can?

I’ll start

Can
Morihei
JKI 1200
JKI 6k speckled
JKI Synthetic Natural
JNS Red Aoto
JNS Synthetic Aoto Blue speckled
Suehiro md20
Shapton Pro (although it didn’t seem to do much at all)
Suehiro Debado SNE
Suehiro Cerax and Ouka (soakers but can be perma soaked too)
King 300
King Deluxe and Hypers (soakers but can be perma soaked)

No
Naniwa Chosera

 

[Jovidah]

There was a stone chart somewhere at some point... I think Jon had a lot of input on it. But I can't find it.

 

[Kawa]

When are you soaking?
1 minute?
10 minutes?
Half an hour?

 

[daveb]

,The "perma" part refers to permanent or leave in water soaking. Most convienent way to soak stones.

 

[pgugger]

Some that I permasoak:
JKI 400, 2000, 4000, 6000
Bester 1200
Suehiro Rika 5000

Here is a similar thread from CKTG Forum with some to add to the list: https://www. chefknivestogoforums .com/viewtopic.php?t=1739

Edit: I just noticed the criterion of splash and go that can be permasoaked. I guess none on my list fit but I’ll leave it here anyway.

 

[Kawa]

,The "perma" part refers to permanent or leave in water soaking. Most convienent way to soak stones.

I understand.

The title and intro mention soaking or perma soaking.

If I lay my stones in a bucket of water for a few minutes, even if they absord no water at all, am I soaking?

 

[M1k3]

https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/...-help-grand-unifiedstone-soaking-chart.20450/
https://www.chefknivestogoforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1739

 

[cotedupy]

Has anyone actually tried soaking a NP / Chosera...? Apparently they crack anyway sometimes, even without soaking.

And feck it... a few surface cracks might help speed 'em a bit anyway. God knows they need it!

 

[cotedupy]

Being less facetious for moment - you can permasoak Superstones if you want.

 

[M1k3]

Has anyone actually tried soaking a NP / Chosera...? Apparently they crack anyway sometimes, even without soaking.

And feck it... a few surface cracks might help speed 'em a bit anyway. God knows they need it!

They're magnesia bonded..

 

[cotedupy]

They're magnesia bonded..

Mmm, yep. But why is that a problem (apart from people saying so)? Has anyone actually tried? And if it is a problem then...

W T F DO NANIWA THINK THEY'RE BLOODY DOING MAKING WATERSTONES OUT OF STUFF THAT CAN'T GET WET?!??!!???



Idiots.

 

[M1k3]

Mmm, yep. But why is that a problem (apart from people saying so)? Has anyone actually tried? And if it is a problem then...

W T F DO NANIWA THINK THEY'RE BLOODY DOING MAKING WATERSTONES OUT OF STUFF THAT CAN'T GET WET?!??!!???



Idiots.

It'll leach out over time. I don't know why Naniwa or Shapton would use magnesia instead of something else.

 

[cotedupy]

I mean honestly! Look at Snake's original list.

All the other whetstone makers choose to make theirs from stuff that doesn't dissolve in water. But kooky Naniwa just have to be different don't they...

 

[Kawa]

Has anyone actually tried soaking a NP / Chosera...? Apparently they crack anyway sometimes, even without soaking.

And feck it... a few surface cracks might help speed 'em a bit anyway. God knows they need it!

I soak my chosera 600 for about 5-15 minutes, same for naniwa pro 400. I think I sometimes even hit an hour.
Been doing this for over 5 years.
No cracks so far.
But I think ive read that the cracking is more for the higher gritts.

And then again, is 5 minutes a soak?

 

[cotedupy]

I soak my chosera 600 for about 5-15 minutes, same for naniwa pro 400. I think I sometimes even hit an hour.
Been doing this for over 5 years.
No cracks so far.
But I think ive read that the cracking is more for the higher gritts.

And then again, is 5 minutes a soak?

Ah that's interesting about the cracking thing. You're probably right - I've most read about it on razor forums, so they're probably using the higher grits.

 

[SolidSnake03]

Ah so there is some stuff out there already for this. I was t aware of the chef knives list that was out there.

To clarify on the criteria, the main thing is after is perma soaking because as Dave said it’s by far the most convenient way to do soakers. Generally speaking I assume most all soakers can be perma soaked but the tricky spot is splash and go. There seems to be a lot of splash and go that you can perma soak and actually get better for it which prompted my thoughts on this. I’ll add some from chef knives list later when I get a chance

 

[Jovidah]

Not the chart I was thinking of but still useful:

https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/...ing-vs-splashngo-some-info.17461/#post-443285

 

[demirtasem]

I have a question. How often do you guys change water or do you change water at all?

 

[M1k3]

I have a question. How often do you guys change water or do you change water at all?

Toilet tank (unless you have one of those really low flush ones and more than a stone or two) makes it worry free. Tiny drop of bleach helps keeps the nasties away. But I'd say make it a habit to change the water every few weeks to a month. Covering the container when not in use helps also.

 

[demirtasem]

Toilet tank (unless you have one of those really low flush ones and more than a stone or two) makes it worry free. Tiny drop of bleach helps keeps the nasties away. But I'd say make it a habit to change the water every few weeks to a month. Covering the container when not in use helps also.

Haha toilet tank great idea.

 

[SolidSnake03]

Toilet tank (unless you have one of those really low flush ones and more than a stone or two) makes it worry free. Tiny drop of bleach helps keeps the nasties away. But I'd say make it a habit to change the water every few weeks to a month. Covering the container when not in use helps also.

I do this too, my toilet tank has a bunch of stones in it haha

 

[tostadas]

I do this too, my toilet tank has a bunch of stones in it haha

In addition to questionnaire for knives and stones recommendations, sounds like we might need one for toilets too.

 

[robzilla]

Data point re Naniwa Pro 1000– I had been running it under cold water for a minute or two before use, and then drying standing up at room temp, and developed hairline cracks at one end. So, as the vendor from whom I purchased it permasoaks his, I thought, oh well, what the hell, and did the same. The stone is disintegrating in just a few weeks. Surface is mushy, and small areas (1 sq cm size) are corroded. Water is changed weekly. YMMV.

 

[JBroida]

i would avoid soaking the shapton stones

 

[M1k3]

i would avoid soaking the shapton stones

The Pro's? Glass? Or both?

 

[JBroida]

both, but the pros especially. Shapton specializes in magnesia based stones. They are quite good at it. They have been able to solve the spiderweb cracking issue that plagues many others. But they still don't do well with extended soaking in my experience. But a 5-6 minute soak wont hurt most magnesia stones. Its more the super long term soaking that is less ideal.

 

[M1k3]

both, but the pros especially. Shapton specializes in magnesia based stones. They are quite good at it. They have been able to solve the spiderweb cracking issue that plagues many others. But they still don't do well with extended soaking in my experience. But a 5-6 minute soak wont hurt most magnesia stones. Its more the super long term soaking that is less ideal.

Thanks for answering. I asked, because I read previously that the Glass stones are resinoid. Good thing I didn't believe it and soak them.

 

[JBroida]

not resinoid to the best of my understanding... always a chance i can be wrong, but resources in Japanese indicate magnesia