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MittenMan

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Hey folks, new guy here. Recently dove into the world of Japanese chef knives and I’m in pursuit of my first high end blade to enjoy in the kitchen for a lifetime.

Currently using an 8” Shun gyuto that I impulsively bought years ago and it’s definitely time for an upgrade. In the meantime it’s what I use to practice sharpening with on my Shapton pro 320 & 1000.

I’m pretty much dead set on getting Yamatsuka or Nakagawa ginsan because my fiancée just won’t care for the knife like I would. I absolutely love bunkas because k-tip, but it’d be nice to get a 240mm gyuto to slice through chicken breast and larger cuts of meat. The problem is that I know both are smiths for multiple brands, but I don’t know which ones. I’ve been just searching “Yamatsuka ginsan” or “nakagawa ginsan” in google and it does fine, but it’d be a lot easier knowing which brands I can safely look at that are still their work. Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks for coming to my ted talk


LOCATION
What country are you in? - USA

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)? - Gyuto or Bunka

Are you right or left handed? - Right and left handed (I’m right fiancée is left)

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle? - Japanese

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)? - typical lengths for the respective styles

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no) - yes. Been looking at ginsan

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife? - $400-/+

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment? - Home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.) - veggie and protein prep for home cooked meals. Typical veg like carrots, onions, celery, potatoes, garlic, peppers, etc. boneless proteins from grocery store. Mostly chicken

What knife, if any, are you replacing? - not sure if I’ll fully replace it, but 8” shun gyuto. Looking for a new workhorse.

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.) - edge retention, aesthetics, flatter profile

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? - wood and synthetic

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.) - yes. Shapton pro 320 & 1000. New to sharpening but am able to get my knife shaving sharp

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives? - yes

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.) - yes
 
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Hey! we're based out of Michigan too! Check out my page! I might be able to help you!
 
Welcome from another michigander. Time to retire the shun...

I wont say anything bad about stainless, semi stainless, and powders, many love the steel. I fell down that rabbit hole looking for something easy to maintain. I still have a couple, for the wife and kids, or cutting fruits that so I don't get that nasty smelling odor that carbons do with fruit.

Keep an open mind, when I bought my first carbon knife, it was night and day difference for me. IMO carbon steel, I can get so much sharper much easier, and they seem to hold the edge better than the powders, super steels, and gin knives in my opinion. With ginsan being my least favorite. It was some money I wish I would have saved if I would have known then what I know now. Everyone's different so my opinion is just that.

I still have my first 240 gyuto in AS, I think it was a shinko seilan for about 100 bucks that in my opinion out performs some of the expensive ginsans and sg2 knives I have owned. The maintenance is minimal, hand wash and dry before putting them back on the rack.

Good luck on your new purchase but often they are like lays potato chips, cant have just one.
 
Welcome from another michigander. Time to retire the shun...

I wont say anything bad about stainless, semi stainless, and powders, many love the steel. I fell down that rabbit hole looking for something easy to maintain. I still have a couple, for the wife and kids, or cutting fruits that so I don't get that nasty smelling odor that carbons do with fruit.

Keep an open mind, when I bought my first carbon knife, it was night and day difference for me. IMO carbon steel, I can get so much sharper much easier, and they seem to hold the edge better than the powders, super steels, and gin knives in my opinion. With ginsan being my least favorite. It was some money I wish I would have saved if I would have known then what I know now. Everyone's different so my opinion is just that.

I still have my first 240 gyuto in AS, I think it was a shinko seilan for about 100 bucks that in my opinion out performs some of the expensive ginsans and sg2 knives I have owned. The maintenance is minimal, hand wash and dry before putting them back on the rack.

Good luck on your new purchase but often they are like lays potato chips, cant have just one.
It is definitely time to retire it. Not a fan of the edge geometry at all. It ends up leaving my veg strung together and I have to pull them apart which is frustrating.

appreciate you sharing your opinions and experience with choosing steel. Curious to know what type of carbon steel you ended up going with for your main knives.

I guess when it come down to it I’m just worried about chipping the blade on a beautiful and expensive carbon steel knife. Well, more-so my fiancée chipping it haha. The shun has chipped several times in the 7 years I’ve had it, and it just makes me worried about going with an even more brittle knife.

Regardless, I do like the idea of going stainless for something like a pairing or petty knife. I’ll keep that in mind.

TY!
 
It is definitely time to retire it. Not a fan of the edge geometry at all. It ends up leaving my veg strung together and I have to pull them apart which is frustrating.

appreciate you sharing your opinions and experience with choosing steel. Curious to know what type of carbon steel you ended up going with for your main knives.

I guess when it come down to it I’m just worried about chipping the blade on a beautiful and expensive carbon steel knife. Well, more-so my fiancée chipping it haha. The shun has chipped several times in the 7 years I’ve had it, and it just makes me worried about going with an even more brittle knife.

Regardless, I do like the idea of going stainless for something like a pairing or petty knife. I’ll keep that in mind.

TY!
Good morning,

I have a few single bevels that scream through veggies in white paper steel. For my gyutos I prefer blue paper (aogami). Blue 1 with a good heat treat is really nice. Also Aogami super is the best of both worlds IMO. Really easy to sharpen, gets wicked sharp, and can hold an edge. Blue seems to have a bit more corrosion resistance from white steels IMO.

I think any steel will chip if abused or used really hard, especially hard steel with a thin edge. But the benefits in use outway those of a cheap stainless that will simply bend.

Maybe get a his / hers collection LOL. Honestly, that's what I did.
 
Good morning,

I have a few single bevels that scream through veggies in white paper steel. For my gyutos I prefer blue paper (aogami). Blue 1 with a good heat treat is really nice. Also Aogami super is the best of both worlds IMO. Really easy to sharpen, gets wicked sharp, and can hold an edge. Blue seems to have a bit more corrosion resistance from white steels IMO.

I think any steel will chip if abused or used really hard, especially hard steel with a thin edge. But the benefits in use outway those of a cheap stainless that will simply bend.

Maybe get a his / hers collection LOL. Honestly, that's what I did.
never considered a single bevel for a veggie machine…

I’ve been looking at a 210/240mm Gihei blue 2 gyuto as a replacement for the shun. More of a workhorse that’ll rip through anything I throw at it and affordable enough that we can get another knife for her. Still can’t decide on 210 vs 240 though lol

Not sure how I feel about going with a harder blue 1 or AS yet. I think I’d rather go blue 2 first before going all in with carbon.
 
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