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  1. Nov 9, 2018 at 3:53 PM #12121

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    Ashi Honyaki clouds are a dreamscape...:)
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  3. Nov 9, 2018 at 6:20 PM #12123

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    That hamon is super crisp and the (alloy banding?) looks killer.
     
  4. Nov 9, 2018 at 6:38 PM #12124

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    is this actually alloy banding??

    if you read the description for white 1/2 etc and blue 1/2 they mention its "purified" or some other crap compared to the lower grades. and this is kind of their top level. and if thats alloy banding I kinda question their ability to produce quality steel. am I alone here? I mean good luck finding those streaks in any uddeholm steel. or sandvik.

    Or will you find those streaks in those steels if you polish hard enough too?
     
  5. Nov 9, 2018 at 6:57 PM #12125

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    I have no freaking idea. I don't want to spread misinformation. Anyone got an idea of what that is?
    I remember an old post from Bloodroot talking about how to induce alloy banding, but it's been a while since I read that.
     
  6. Nov 9, 2018 at 7:07 PM #12126

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    yes... i think you are alone here. I've seen this in very high purity non-japanese steels too. Its just as much about polishing as it is a function of how the steel is worked. I'm sure larrin can explain better than i can though.
     
  7. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:10 PM #12127

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    You can find banding on sc125 and 1.2519 core steel too (from my knives) just in smaller scale and requires some careful polishing with specific stones to reveal.
     
  8. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:46 PM #12128

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    thank you valgard and jon. what grit do i need to approach to see this "alloy banding" I have a pretty much every grit shapton up to 12k and then a spyderco UF to top it off.

    I'm k9inda disappointed with this new info if true.

    I will gladly test this though.
     
  9. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:47 PM #12129

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    i mean are all steels damascus all the sudden :)
     
  10. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:53 PM #12130

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    yeah well i posted these 2 knives in the handiwork forum but now I'm gonna post them here to since these are technically my latest buys.

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  11. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:54 PM #12131

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    kurosakis all 3 of them. he makes some sexy ****
     
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  12. Nov 9, 2018 at 9:10 PM #12132

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    According to the guy who sold me the ashi. He knows ashi san directly. Its from a particular batch of white steel(its white#2 btw). I believe that not all white or blue has it. But i read somewhere its more common in blues. I could be wrong though just what i was told/read.
     
  13. Nov 9, 2018 at 9:55 PM #12133

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    Yea 125sc have lots of it, also got lots of it in my grandfathers files.
     
  14. Nov 9, 2018 at 10:29 PM #12134

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    its not a particular grit (though there are some natural stones that bring it out more... its more that its either a part of how the steel was worked or not. Some of the natural stone fanatics will be able to fill you in better on what stones might work best for that.
     
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    No particular grit. Some knives show it more than others, but for the same knives (the 1.2519 core for the sake of consistency) not a grit but a particular type of stone and method of doing the polish works better. For example with the aforementioned knife the three best stones I have at showing the banding are a Natsuya (clearly mid grit), a Mejiro nagura (probably 5-6K but hard to say), and a Koma nagura (definitely a finer stone). I have other stones that can highlight it or mask it but these are the best, and illustrate the fact that it's not a matter of grit but rather how the stone reacts with the steel + how the resulting surface reflects the light. Never seen it in these mild examples with synthetics but most likely something as dramatic as the banding on an Ashi would come through even with synthetics.
    On the other hand some knives like my Kato and Tanaka have 0 banding, highlighting Jon's point about how the steel was working I think.
     
  16. Nov 9, 2018 at 11:13 PM #12136

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    The banding on my ashi is clearly etched. There are some parts where oxides are still left through etching.
     
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    Are those the "clouds" that I hear about? Pretty cool!
     
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    The shigefusa clouds is completly different but yes some people call it clouds too
     
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    I really love the aesthetics of this knife! Did Mike hang onto it until now or did you pry it off the original buyer?
     
  22. Nov 10, 2018 at 2:45 PM #12142

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    Newer ku mazaki? The profile appears like the newer jns.
     
  23. Nov 10, 2018 at 3:59 PM #12143

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    Kip's pic before he sent it.
     
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    Yeah, this to me hit the “most beautiful knife I’ve ever seen” nail right on the head. I think my newborn is getting jealous. I’ve been coddling the knife almost as much as her. I actually picked it up from Phillip at Rodriguez Butcher Supply. Not sure if he got it from Mike or elsewhere but I don’t think it was ever used.
     
  25. Nov 10, 2018 at 5:37 PM #12145

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    I do suspect that the acidity of the stones is the key factor. I wld prefer the etching with diluted mild acid as after all its not the abrasives that does it . You get better control for uniformity, no scratches.

    But on stainless steel, it may not react that much; if any and not that i have seen any

    any thoughts?
     
  26. Nov 11, 2018 at 12:42 PM #12146

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    Kikuichimonji B#1 240mm gyuto (251x51)

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  27. Nov 11, 2018 at 3:59 PM #12147

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    New handle for my Toyama 240 Ktip Gyoto. Dakota Willison made it.
     

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    I picked this Tanaka 270 Gyuto in SG2 damascus this week. I have high hopes for it. 99A095EA-B928-4A76-BAEC-682EA79F2FC4.jpeg 23C85B1F-EA4E-4C00-8095-EBE44AD5A778.jpeg A2F76609-72D1-48C6-A4BF-164850BCD9E6.jpeg
     
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    That Tanaka is pretty
     
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    Yup, I would have liked to have gotten the first run but I am not complaining.
     

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