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andur

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I just got my Konosuke Fujiyama 240mm in blue after over a year. I had almost forgot I asked for one and then an e-mail came from Kosuke saying "We've got one for you now". So yesterday it finally arrived! No need to review the Fujiyamas I think, much has been said about them in the web but I came to one understanding - some kitchen knives are sold unsharpened, such as the Fujiyama. My knife arrived unsharpened and completely without an edge, not saying it was dull, no. It wasn't sharpened at all, just a square edge like a ruler or something. And I wasn't surprised.

However I'm not at all saying it's a bad thing. I've been using Japanese tools for a while and anyone who has bought a Kanna (plane) or a set of Japanese Oire Nomi chisels knows what buying a tool is like. You get a set of chisels, you take the handles off, plane or sculpt them to accept the metal hoops, finish each chisels end by mushrooming the wood, then flatten the ura of the chisel, finish the wood, then sharpen them etc. It's a long process. It's even worse for the Japanese planes which actually might require specialist tools and plane making chisels for finishing the plane body before you can use them. This is typical of Japanese tools as I understand it, each tool user can finish their tools themselves just as they like it.

Now I did a quick "google" on the OOTB Fujiyama edge and to my surprise there are so many disappointed people who have gotten their knives and post in the webs saying the OOTB edge is "rubbish" or "too dull to use" etc while in fact the edge isn't sharpened at all. I guess they didn't get the whole "sharpen your own tools" message?

What are your ideas of knives sold without edges? Are there other ones that arrive like this?
 
I like knives sold without an "edge". It lets me put my own on. I don't like receiving a knife with an edge I have to fix, especially if it risks wasting steel. I don't like receiving a knife with a 70/30 edge either.

I admit I was intimidated by the stone with my first Kono Fuji but I quickly got over that! You're right though, the knife wasn't completely dull considering they didn't sharpen it.
 
Was just discussing this, no edge on Fuji 240 White 2, can't remember others. Breeze on the stones though
 
Fine for users around here, but seems somewhat asinine to send that knife out to many of the western users to whom they sell
 
The only Kono that had a decent edge when new was a recent white 2 Fuji. All the others, were apply your own edge.
 
I understand why they have traditionally been sold without an edge to chefs who have been well trained to sharpen them, but it makes so much sense to offer your knives with a fine edge for the prospective owner to follow. Although I enjoy the sharpening process, there are plenty of excellent chefs, cooks and knife owners who don't. Why exclude them as possible customers.
 
My Kono HD2 came from Tosho with a great edge but my Kono Fuji B#2 was sharpened but it did need a little work. I gave it a quick tune up on the 1K and 5K stones and it is great now and seems to be holding (home kitchen) very well.

Andur - I totally understand your experience with Japanese Tools, I bought my chisels and planes from Japan Woodworker 36 years ago and at least Fred printed some suggestions for getting them in prime shape but, it was a lot of work!
 
I understand why they have traditionally been sold without an edge to chefs who have been well trained to sharpen them, but it makes so much sense to offer your knives with a fine edge for the prospective owner to follow. Although I enjoy the sharpening process, there are plenty of excellent chefs, cooks and knife owners who don't. Why exclude them as possible customers.

I gotta agree with ya, though I have no qualms "opening up" a knife, but others don't and I do like seeing/judging each makers OTB edge & how long it lasts
 
Different intended markets for sure

Yes, the Konosuke HD2 was my first Japanese Knife and I was still trying to learn the terms and distingusing characteristics between knife types, steels, etc. The Fuji came along after a year on different forums trying to gain knowledge.

They are different knives for sure.
 
I should add from earlier post that all of the Konos I used were of the Fujiyama series. I haven't used any other Konosuke knives so can't comment on their quality out of the box.
 
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