Iwasaki steel vs apex ultra

[shobudonnie]

For those of you who used Shigefusa and any version of apex ultra, which of these steels get sharper?

 

[Barmoley]

For those of you who used Shigefusa and any version of apex ultra, which of these steels get sharper?

There is no such thing for knives. Shig steel is easier to get sharper.

 

[shobudonnie]

There is no such thing for knives. Shig steel is easier to get sharper.

Oh yes there is. I’ve only used a zillion different carbon steel knives, and there is a difference.

 

[Matt Jacobs]

Oh yes there is. I’ve only used a zillion different carbon steel knives, and there is a difference.

I'm not sure I understand this fully. Some steels like White or AEB-L are really easy to get sharp quickly but don't hold an edge long. Apex Ultra may hold and edge better but I don't know that it get "sharper". Certain steels feel really toothy and are my preference but does that mean its sharper? Maybe someone like Larrin can jump in but if you took 10 steels and a computer controlled sharpening system to sharpen them all exactly the same, I don't think one would be sharper, it would just get there quicker.

 

[M1k3]

Oh yes there is. I’ve only used a zillion different carbon steel knives, and there is a difference.

As long as the heat treatment is good, not very much retained austenite, etc., it's going to depend more on the sharpeners skills and geometry behind the edge. Assuming you are using the correct tools for the job.

Simpler carbon steels are easier to get a finer, higher grit, edge though.

 

[Barmoley]

Oh yes there is. I’ve only used a zillion different carbon steel knives, and there is a difference.

The difference is that some steels are easier to get sharper not that you can't get them as sharp or that a steel can't get as sharp.

 

[esoo]

For those of you who used Shigefusa and any version of apex ultra, which of these steels get sharper?

Buy both, get a BESS tester and find out for yourself with your skill set.

But be aware that has little do with how usable the knife is in service.

 

[jedy617]

The trolling is getting out of hand

 

[azn_knives_4l]

I'm not sure I understand this fully. Some steels like White or AEB-L are really easy to get sharp quickly but don't hold an edge long. Apex Ultra may hold and edge better but I don't know that it get "sharper". Certain steels feel really toothy and are my preference but does that mean its sharper? Maybe someone like Larrin can jump in but if you took 10 steels and a computer controlled sharpening system to sharpen them all exactly the same, I don't think one would be sharper, it would just get there quicker.

I don't think that last part can be true with conventional stones? It's pretty obvious that different steels take different edges even from the same stone and I think you allude to this with your comment on steels that 'feel really toothy'. Then we get into definitions of sharp again and Larrin's isn't simple apex radius.