Myojin SG2 240 - Impressions (Update 2)

Kitchen Knife Forums

Help Support Kitchen Knife Forums:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Joined
Jan 8, 2020
Messages
526
Reaction score
510
Location
South Florida
DSC_8019_s.jpg


For those who are curious about this line, I put together some quick thoughts and experiments with this new offering from Naohito Myojin, the sharpener behind Konosuke's Fujiyama FM knives.

I like the FM grind and SG2 steel, so I jumped right in when the 240 (actual edge length 232-233 mm) was available. Actually, I didn't ask for a choil shot before the purchase. I just trusted Myojin's craftsmanship and believed he'd only offer something near perfect.

The choil shots confirm that, from left to right are FM b1 240 (from Tosho's website), my SG2, and Kaiju (from Tosho's website)
choil.jpg


My phone camera is a bit blurry, but the grind is as thin as the FM I had.
Further study reveals that the grind is a very thin convex, rather than a full-flat.

IMG_5364.jpg


So the grind is great just as expected. However, the knife came with a hard coat of knife lacquer, which made everything stuck. I had to wait until it wears down before testing seriously (even acetone was not very effective in removing that, please let me know if anyone has a better solution...).

The out-of-box edge was just so so. It was close to a micro-bevel, about 16 degrees per side. The FM I had was much more aggressive in the angle.

After several acetone sessions, I started to put the knife in use. Although the grind is almost identical to a FM, I could immediately notice a difference when the blade hit the board - it is very stiff. The feedback felt like from a very hard monosteel rather than a sanmai, wow.

It glided through produces as expected because of the aggressive grind, but the edge was not acceptable IMO. So I put it on the stone.
Sharpening it confirmed the steel is very hard. I have three other SG2 knives, one Zwilling Kramer, one Yu Kurosaki, and one Shibata Koutetsu. None of them were this difficult to sharpen.

Started with Shapton Pro 1000, it took ~2 times more stokes then the aforementioned SG2 blades to create a burr. The noise it made on the stone was also scary. But after that, the sharpening became smooth and enjoyable. After burr removal on the 1k, I followed with SP 2k. After that, I started to try natural stones, and discovered that only the Okudo shiro suita can remove the steel efficiently. Uchigumori and Ohira renge suita used to work well with my other SG2 blades, but this time they performed really poorly. The last stone in this session was a very hard Nakayama mizu asagi with Aizu slurry.

Although the steel was very challenging, the final outcome was pretty good. The edge off the Nakayama turned out to be very polished yet toothy enough. I sharpened a Hisamoto white 1 tsuchime using the the same progression and compared the two edges. The SG2 was almost as polished and was noticeably more aggressive. This ultra-sharp edge sunk in peppers and tomatos, and it was well held after a few dinner sessions at home.

Normally I wouldn't dare to cut corn on the cobs with a blade this thin behind the edge. But since the steel is so strong, I tried it anyway (sorry Myojin, I tried my best to not hit the board too hard, but nontheless hit it several times).

IMG_5350.jpg
IMG_5351.jpg


After four cobs the edge still cut paper towel cleanly with the region that hit the board.

My guess is although the heat-treat is harder, the grain-size is finer than my other SG2s. I haven't tried to polish it to pass the hanging hair test, but I may seriously give it a try later, it already shaves arm hairs effortlessly though. Due to the adaptation to the weight and shape, I bumped the edge and tip into various surfaces, the stainless sink, the stone countertop, the wooden cabinet, you name it. Not too badly, but none caused any noticeable chipping as I would expect with high carbon steel. Now I'm willing to take the edge to 8 to 12 degrees per side in the future. My other SG2s would micro chip crazily in those angles.

So, my preliminary conclusion is that the knife is really well made from the grind to the steel. However, I think the vendors should remove the lacquer and sharpen the knife well to make it more enjoyable to those who want to enjoy it right ootb. What's more, can this replace a FM? I feel this a difficult question to answer. I like low-maintenance knives so I enjoy it very much. However, the easy-to-sharpen FMs provide a different board feedback, thus might also be someone else's favorite.

Oh, by the way, my example is 212 g with the handle.

======================Update 1=======================
Today I went ahead to attempt the hanging hair test.
Since the edge was still very sharp, I did not go to coarser stones but sharpened it directly on the Okudo shiro suita, then the Nakayama Mizu Asagi with tomo slurry.

(The Nakayama beast)
IMG_5358.jpg


Usually, if this was a carbon steel knife, it should silently split a hanging hair. However, the SG2 blade only whittled it.
IMG_5391.jpg


It cut tissue papers just fine.
IMG_5392.jpg

I'd say it's pretty difficult for this blade to pass that test, if possible. Maybe a careful natural stone progression will do that, or maybe shapton 30k/stropping is needed. I don't know yet. However, the good side is, there's still some toothiness at the edge. On-board testing with tomatoes and peppers confirmed that.

Given the long-lasting beauty and the sharp toothy edge, I think this SG2 knife is a "practical Fujiyama," but not "everyone's Fujiyama". A seasoned sharpener or a user who only wants to sharpen it once will like it.

An "everyone's Fujiyama" would be made out of some easy to sharpen stainless such as Ginsan.

IMHO, the old Fujiyamas are still the all-time classical for someone chasing characteristics and the ultimate performance. However, a perfect balance between the long-lasting beauty and the performance would be a stainless-clad carbon. And when that's available, I will buy it without hesitation just like what I did with this SG2 version.

======================Update 2=======================
Since the knife world opened the door to me, I kept on buying and buying. However, this makes me feel sick.
Rather than keeping a lot of drawer queens, I'd like to build a long-term relationship with some of the best cutters by using and sharpening them. For example, I want to use and sharpen/thin my favorite gyuto until it becomes a petty.

Actually, single bevel knives in Japan are meant to be used and maintained this way:


The same should apply to double-edged knives to keep their performance and beauty at the peak. However, thinning and polishing on bench stones are very challenging to most knives on the market - the blade face needs to be free from low spots. This is something you can't tell from website images.

I bought a Hitohira Togashi wide bevel with the hope to practice stone polishing. However, the actual bevels still need much work to allow an even finish, and the shinogi line became wavy after that. Below is a Morihei TF I'm working on.



Despite being a "fine" finish, I spent considerable time on the 220 stone to take out the remaining low spots. Now it's in good working condition, and I can regain the mirror after light thinning within a few minutes.

Here is a Kurosaki R2 Santoku. You can see the reflection on the low spots. I don't plan to stone polish it as that may take too long and too much steel to fix.

IMG_5405.jpg

Unlike these knives, Myojin finishes this knife notches above them. I couldn't feel any low spots running my fingers across the blade face. The level of consistency in the grinding is simply stunning. Below is a little experiment to confirm this.
IMG_5337_2.jpg

The paint was evenly removed with a few polishing strokes, and polishing the core doesn't affect the cladding much higher to the lamination line.

The hairline finish and the SG2 steel may still cause some trouble, but this is a great grind to start with, and I will try stone polishing soon.
 
Last edited:
Nice! Thanks for writing this! (I was hoping to hear from someone with the wacky resin handle.)
 
  • Like
Reactions: JDC
Thanks for the write up! Strange they’d put lacquer on a full stainless blade.

How would you compare the cutting performance and feel to your Kurosaki?
 
Thanks for the write up! Strange they’d put lacquer on a full stainless blade.

How would you compare the cutting performance and feel to your Kurosaki?
The spine of my Kurosaki R2 is thinner than this Myojin. However, this one is much thinner above the edge up to ~1.5 cm (should be 1.1 cm, measured with a caliper) compared to the kurosaki. This makes the knife heftier yet more laser-like.
 
Last edited:
Thanks very much for putting together some comprehensive first impressions - much appreciated!
👍

I’m one of the fortunate few who sold their soul to the purple bog goblin benefited from Homebutcher’s suspiciously cheap release of Myojin‘s first range last night. In fact, I’m in the embarrassing position of having roundly, repeatedly mocked the very same gawd-awful handled abomination that I actually ended up buying just a few minutes later. Hey ho

Principles be damned though, for this thing was cheap. So cheap, particularly after someone lobbed on a 25% off discount code and reasonable intl postage became apparent, that it became clear that I could import this thing, pay p&p and customs and still have plenty to spare on the UK price. And so I caved, weakly, pressing the ‘buy’ button, accompanied by a resounding facepalm that could be heard in the Upper Highlands of Peckham

The blade sounds distinctly promising, even if It’ll have to work hard to alleviate the shame of holding something that looks like a LOTR fan’s glowing tribute to Prince’s haemorrhoids of funk.
 
Last edited:
Thanks very much for putting together some comprehensive first impressions - much appreciated!
👍

I’m one of the fortunate few who sold their soul to the purple bog goblin benefited from Homebutcher’s suspiciously cheap release of Myojin‘s first range last night. In fact, I’m in the embarrassing position of having roundly, repeatedly mocked the very same gawd-awful handled abomination that I actually ended up buying just a few minutes later. Hey ho

Principles be damned though, for this thing was cheap. So cheap, particularly after someone lobbed on a 25% off discount code and reasonable intl postage became apparent, that it became clear that I could import this thing, pay p&p and customs and still have plenty to spare on the UK price. And so I caved, weakly, pressing the ‘buy’ button, accompanied by a resounding facepalm that could be heard in the Upper Highlands of Peckham

The blade sounds distinctly promising, even if It’ll have to work hard to alleviate the shame of holding something that looks like a LOTR fan’s glowing tribute to Prince’s haemorrhoids of funk.
Don’t be, I don’t see any handles on those, they are just blanks lol. My blank was much more than that by the way, envy you!
 
Don’t be, I don’t see any handles on those, they are just blanks lol. My blank was much more than that by the way, envy you!

Cheers for the kind words. I honestly have been on the verge of buying a Myojin knife for many months now, but the price for a stamped blade seemed too high to justify a hasty punt (£285/$400 for a petty, £330/$450 for a 180), as curious as I was.

At homebutcher’s discount, even with the customs hit, the 210 was about half, yes half, the price of a 180 gyuto in the UK.Enough money to pay for a handle replacement, plus swallow the EU accredited fees for noxious waste disposal, the advised hazmat suit and lead lined pit. I’ve factored in the counselling and PR reputation-restore program too

Looking forward to seeing if my experiences with this fine-choiled number chime with yours!
 
Thank you for the great review

I was impressed by this knife at the day u posted it on the newest buy thread, the idea of a stainless FM was appealing to me and yesterday I felt like i "stole" this knife from homebutcher.

really interesting that you found it hard to sharpen, thought its a pre laminated SG2 from Takefu so shouldn't be a big difference from a kurosaki (maybe its related to concave vs convex?).
mine supposed to be 182 g, really look forward to get it for comparison.
 
Thank you for the great review

I was impressed by this knife at the day u posted it on the newest buy thread, the idea of a stainless FM was appealing to me and yesterday I felt like i "stole" this knife from homebutcher.

really interesting that you found it hard to sharpen, thought its a pre laminated SG2 from Takefu so shouldn't be a big difference from a kurosaki (maybe its related to concave vs convex?).
mine supposed to be 182 g, really look forward to get it for comparison.
I just sharpened the Kurosaki up. Yes it is softer, and gummier.
I can tell the differences among all of my old SG2 blades. The Zwilling Kramer has the biggest grain size by being the toothiest, the Kurosaki is finer and softer, and the Shibata is a little harder (thus can be a bit more brittle) than that. As for the Myojin SG2, it just feels to be a lot harder, not gummy, and not brittle. Maybe this impression will change slightly over the time as I get more familiar with the knife.

I don't know how Takefu works regarding to the SG2 production. But the fact is, we don't even know where Myojin's blanks came from...
 
I've seen unhardened laminated blanks, so maybe they're doing their own HT? As I understand it, laminating stainless is the really tricky part. I wouldn't consider prelam to be inferior - if anything it seems more reliable, tho certainly less romantic.
 
I've seen unhardened laminated blanks, so maybe they're doing their own HT? As I understand it, laminating stainless is the really tricky part. I wouldn't consider prelam to be inferior - if anything it seems more reliable, tho certainly less romantic.

yeah they seems to be more reliable, I think the downside for prelaminated is the thickness. I assume Myojin prefer a thicker spine so he can have more room for grinding and tapering.

i think this line is going to evolve in the next batches
 
A little more context, the spine thickness of mine is 2.7 (out of handle), 2.2(midway), 0.72(1cm from tip). It's far away from a "workhorse" in terms of the thickness. But is certainly rugged due to the steel.
 
Thanks very much for putting together some comprehensive first impressions - much appreciated!
👍

I’m one of the fortunate few who sold their soul to the purple bog goblin benefited from Homebutcher’s suspiciously cheap release of Myojin‘s first range last night. In fact, I’m in the embarrassing position of having roundly, repeatedly mocked the very same gawd-awful handled abomination that I actually ended up buying just a few minutes later. Hey ho

Principles be damned though, for this thing was cheap. So cheap, particularly after someone lobbed on a 25% off discount code and reasonable intl postage became apparent, that it became clear that I could import this thing, pay p&p and customs and still have plenty to spare on the UK price. And so I caved, weakly, pressing the ‘buy’ button, accompanied by a resounding facepalm that could be heard in the Upper Highlands of Peckham

The blade sounds distinctly promising, even if It’ll have to work hard to alleviate the shame of holding something that looks like a LOTR fan’s glowing tribute to Prince’s haemorrhoids of funk.

damn 25% off 335 so... $250?? goddamn
 
Just made an update to the post :)

100% agree with stainless clad with carbon core is the best compromise.

ginsan is great stainless but blue core steel (i prefer A2# or AS) with stainless clad is the best for me.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JDC
100% agree with stainless clad with carbon core is the best compromise.

ginsan is great stainless but blue core steel (i prefer A2# or AS) with stainless clad is the best for me.
Glad that you think the same! Let’s wish for Myojin or Konosuke to make such knives.
About the ginsan, I think it’s good, but don’t know if it will survive with such an aggressive grind.
 
Glad that you think the same! Let’s wish for Myojin or Konosuke to make such knives.
About the ginsan, I think it’s good, but don’t know if it will survive with such an aggressive grind.

i have a S.tanaka ginsan and takayuki ginsan, both have very thin grinds. they hold it quite good with great toughness.

on other hand, i prefer the aggressive and toothy edge of blue steel. for me the best steel ever is b2# by toyama\watanabe but y.tanaka is also great. kosuke should produce a stainless clad Fuji, similar to Hitohira togashi line.
 
From what I’ve heard the stainless clad carbon Fujiyama isn’t going to happen. If Myojin can get those R2 from Takefu then it’s possible for Ginsan too, although my personal favorite was SKD12 for the Stainless/Semi stainless but I don’t think he is able to get those SKD12 steels.
 
From what I’ve heard the stainless clad carbon Fujiyama isn’t going to happen. If Myojin can get those R2 from Takefu then it’s possible for Ginsan too, although my personal favorite was SKD12 for the Stainless/Semi stainless but I don’t think he is able to get those SKD12 steels.
Good to know! However, if this Tanaka is whom I think, I don’t know why a stainless clad Fujiyama is not possible?

https://bernalcutlery.com/products/...ss-clad-aogami-1-ebony?variant=39420014624920
 
100% agree with stainless clad with carbon core is the best compromise.

ginsan is great stainless but blue core steel (i prefer A2# or AS) with stainless clad is the best for me.

Agree as well. For my personal preference I’ve mostly settled on stainless-clad AS as my first choice (when given an option) although definitely interested to try a stainless clad blue 1 or 2.

For the Myojin on order, I got the 180mm thinking my wife might use it so the R2 was a good fit.
 
Agree as well. For my personal preference I’ve mostly settled on stainless-clad AS as my first choice (when given an option) although definitely interested to try a stainless clad blue 1 or 2.

For the Myojin on order, I got the 180mm thinking my wife might use it so the R2 was a good fit.
My wife doesn’t like very sharp knives, so I skipped that great deal. Hope your wife enjoy it!
I also like AS a lot. But I don’t mind to sharpen a white 2 every few meals, as long as the knife is thin-able.
 
Well it’s different company, I have one of the White #1 stainless clad Tanaka too, unless you can convince Kosuke to make those.

I already saw y.tanaka blue1#/AS with stainless clad. My other problem with those knives is the undersized measurements.

I think the brands was SKK and hitohira.

And Yeah I like the feel and weight of iron clad but it’s not practical for me.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top