Naniwa, Morihei and BBW setup

[Uncle Danny]

Hi everybody.

I have just dipped my toes in the sharpening ocean, and are now on my second setup of synths.
I need a bit of help to validate if this setup works- in theory at least. I know nobody can promise me it will work for me personally.

But my thoughts were as following

Naniwa P-308 (have) Morihei 1000 (have) Belgian Blue (going to buy) Morihei 4000 (have, but I feel like it is polishing like my old 6000)

Could this work as a “bulletproof” sharpening station with the BB as a touch up stone?

By default, I seem to only have White2 knives on the magnet. I’m not a knife collector, so I don’t get a lot of new knives in - I don’t know if this helps

I’m thankful for all the help I can get.

Be safe.

Daniel

 

[Jarrod12345]

Personally I have a 4K morihei stone and it is by far my favourite finisher. Have an ouka 3k and shapton glass 6k as well as king 6k. The morihei 4K puts the filthiest, sharpest, angriest and most functional edge I find. I absolutely LOVE the edge. Obviously it isn’t going to beat a 1k edge for longevity, but it’ll last a decent while with stropping before it needs stones again. When I’ve used all of the stone, I’ll probably buy another because I just love the edge. In saying that, it’s all personal preference. Some people swear by a 500 or 1000 grit edge, others swear by an 8k edge. Personally I feel like 4K is on the absolute top end for grits for knives, any more is just redundant

 

[Uncle Danny]

So in that, you say skip the Belgian?

 

[Jarrod12345]

So in that, you say skip the Belgian?

I can neither agree nor disagree because I’ve never actually used one. So I don’t really have any personal opinion for it. To be fair I know absolutely nothing about Belgian blues either. So they could be an amazing edge. But from personal preference I can absolutely confirm that a morihei 4K is gonna give a wicked edge. There would be tonnes of people in here who would know that answer though

 

[Uncle Danny]

Alrighty, thanks for chipping in.

 

[jsandvad]

I have similar thoughts on my setup! Have Naniwa pro 600 + 2000 grit + Morihei 4000 finisher, but also considering if a BBW would be a useful addtion. Have blue steel, white steel, swedish carbon steels and stainless Japanese and German knives in my rotation, so could probably use different setups for different knives, but not sure which direction to go. Hope you get some useful hints along the way

 

[Uncle Danny]

Me too, for both our sakes

 

[Benuser]

I don't know the Morihei, but find it hard to imagine any 1k to benefit to a Naniwa Pro 800 edge. The Naniwa grit system is a bit different from the Japanese standard JIS: the end result is finer than the grit size mentions. So, with the 800 you'll eventually get a 1.2-1.5-edge. By the way, the contrary is true with Shapton. There isn't much difference in the scratch pattern of the Naniwa Pro 800 and the Shapton Pro 2k. Otherwise, they do behave very differently.
The Naniwa is an extremely versatile stone: you may do very different and obtain different results by varying pressure, amount of water and mud — or its absence.
As Shirogami is the easiest steel to sharpen — burrs seem to disappear spontaneously — you really can't go wrong. The jump from the Naniwa to your 6k is no problem at all. The same as for the Belgian Blue. You may finish with a few strokes with one stone and further maintain with the other one, or the way around. Anyway, I would prefer a two stones solution. Less stones, less troubles, less errors. I must admit it is quite hard to imagine what really could go wrong with Shirogami. Have fun.

 

[Uncle Danny]

Thanks. Feel like the Morihei is closer to a 2k than 1k stone as mentioned above, the 4k feels like 6k on my knives.
To answer this my self, I could just go ahead a buy the Belgian Blue and report back if one of the other stones have become redundant.

 

[jsandvad]

Thanks. Feel like the Morihei is closer to a 2k than 1k stone as mentioned above, the 4k feels like 6k on my knives.
To answer this my self, I could just go ahead a buy the Belgian Blue and report back if one of the other stones have become redundant.

Take one for the team :-D

 

[deltaplex]

Thanks. Feel like the Morihei is closer to a 2k than 1k stone as mentioned above, the 4k feels like 6k on my knives.
To answer this my self, I could just go ahead a buy the Belgian Blue and report back if one of the other stones have become redundant.

I don't think you'll regret it.

 

[HumbleHomeCook]

Thanks. Feel like the Morihei is closer to a 2k than 1k stone as mentioned above, the 4k feels like 6k on my knives.
To answer this my self, I could just go ahead a buy the Belgian Blue and report back if one of the other stones have become redundant.

Take one for the team :-D

In my view, buying a Belgian Blue isn't anywhere close to taking one for the team. It's laughing at the team for not trying it. I recommend getting a slurry stone also but not required.

BBW's cut differently than other stones so the approximated grit rating only tells a part of the story. Very nice naturals!

 

[mockit]

I'll be messing around with the BBW a bit more today. I'll state ahead of time that I am a beginner... but my initial impression is that the BBW is harder/faster than my Shapton Pro 5K. The BBW also feels a bit finer but I am still trying to rap my head around that one. I am not sure how it would compare to a Morihei. It cuts faster than my 5k synth though so I think it is more aggressive than a polishing stone. If you get one, my advice is to get a slurry stone with it and maybe shop for a combo BBW/coticule. Yes... it is double the price, but honestly if you are going to pay for shipping etc. anyways it seems like the return is better. Just my very cheap 0.02 and tiny grain of salt.

 

[Uncle Danny]

I have an extra fine Morihei Nagura.

I’m not sure why I would need the combo stone? Please elaborate.

You guys use the BB as a touch up stone?

 

[Uncle Danny]

In my view, buying a Belgian Blue isn't anywhere close to taking one for the team. It's laughing at the team for not trying it. I recommend getting a slurry stone also but not required.

BBW's cut differently than other stones so the approximated grit rating only tells a part of the story. Very nice naturals!

You’re putting pressure on me here

 

[mockit]

I have an extra fine Morihei Nagura.

I’m not sure why I would need the combo stone? Please elaborate.

Oh it has nothing to do with need . More choices = more fun... to an extent. In my mind if you are paying 80-100USD for a BBW + slurry stone, I think an extra 50 to be able to experiment with a coticule is worthwhile. I have never used a coticule but they are supposed to be wicked finishers. Cannot comment on how they compare to a Nagura.

 

[HumbleHomeCook]

I have an extra fine Morihei Nagura.

I’m not sure why I would need the combo stone? Please elaborate.

You guys use the BB as a touch up stone?

They make great finishing stones and are excellent for touch ups.

 

[Uncle Danny]

Oh it has nothing to do with need . More choices = more fun... to an extent. In my mind if you are paying 80-100USD for a BBW + slurry stone, I think an extra 50 to be able to experiment with a coticule is worthwhile. I have never used a coticule but they are supposed to be wicked finishers. Cannot comment on how they compare to a Nagura.

Well played Sir

 

[BillHanna]

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[Uncle Danny]

I got the Naniwa P-308 (800) stone home today and did some testing.
For me, I’m now letting the Morihei 1k sit. To close to the 800 and the Naniwa does a better job raising a burr.
Out of the two, I would choose the P-308.
I’m now on the lookout for a mid grit stone 2-3000 to compare to the Morihei 4k. Dunno if the easy pick is the P-320 I’ll found out.

 

[mockit]

Sounds like the 4k Morihei is a great mid / finisher. I doubt you need the extra step in there from 800 to 4k. I don’t have experience with that 4k stone though… maybe it is very fine . The BBW may solve some problems there. Probably a bit faster.

 

[Uncle Danny]

You are right. Just to the knives on a spin from Naniwa 800 to Morihei 1000 to Morihei 4000 - I’m letting the Morihei 1000 go.

 

[Benuser]

I got the Naniwa P-308 (800) stone home today and did some testing.
For me, I’m now letting the Morihei 1k sit. To close to the 800 and the Naniwa does a better job raising a burr.
Out of the two, I would choose the P-308.
I’m now on the lookout for a mid grit stone 2-3000 to compare to the Morihei 4k. Dunno if the easy pick is the P-320 I’ll found out.

About the Naniwa Pro 2k: like it a lot, but starts aggressively, while leaving eventually a 3k-pattern. The particles break down. If you clean the stone before deburring, you get fresh, aggressive particles and here is a problem: they not only abrade the burr but raise a new one as well. Or you should raise a bit of mud with a nagura and dissolve it. A great stone, but not for the last deburring.

 

[Uncle Danny]

Learning a long the way is a great thing
I’ll start out with the Naniwa 800 and jump to the Morihei 4000 It seems like a natural step and for know, the knives kills both tissues and arm hair.