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daves88

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LOCATION
What country are you in? Australia

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)? 2x Knives 1) Gyuto/Santoku/Nakiri & 2) Bread Knife

Are you right or left handed? Right handed

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle? Open to both

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)? Ideally 165 to 210 mm (however open to bigger sizes for the bread knife)

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no) Open to it

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife? Circa $200 AUD

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment? Amateur home chef

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)

Slicing vegetables/fruit, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables and herbs. (and bread)

What knife, if any, are you replacing? I'm not replacing however adding to my K&S Tinaka Ginsanko Gyuto 240mm Lite (however looking for something a little smaller for everything but the bread knife)

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.). Pinch grip

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.) Push cut however happy adapt and learn new techniques.

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

I already have a great knife however chasing something a little smaller (with exception to the bread knife)

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? I've currently looking for a new board - Looking for advice, I'm currently interested in the Hasewaga Pro PE Black if its not considered overkill or I'm open to some wood suggestions.

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.) Not yet, this is an area/skill I want to develop with your guidance.

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives? As above

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.). Yes with your guidance.

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS

I'm interested in a new chopping board as per above, Hasewaga Pro PE Black has caught my attention however i'm also open to wood suggestions

Also interested in knife storage (or a sleeve) ideas for easy access so that I can use them more often. I currently wash my knife and put it back in its box after every use
 
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If you have lasted this long before succumbing to new knife syndrome then I recommended looking for options that contrast with your gyuto, so would focus on the 165/180mm range.

I'm a home cook who dices fruit most days and have found that particularly with apples I prefer having a pointy tip for removing cores from quarters, but it's doable with a nakiri if the shape interests you. Santoku tip effectiveness depends on their shape as different brands vary (more pointy = more good here).
Other fruit tasks haven't really made the point shape that noticeable.

How do you feel about kurouchi (black) finishes on knives? At this price it will open up options.
 
How do you feel about kurouchi (black) finishes on knives? At this price it will open up options.
Thanks for the above advice, I'm open to a kurouchi finish. Contrasting my Gyuto is what I would like :)
 
A Tsunehisa nakiri and a Shapton Kuromaku 1000, 1500, or 2000 would get you set up nicely to start out.

If you're open to carbon/iron clad, Knife Japan and With Knives in NZ, have a lot to offer. From Knife Japan I'm partial to Homi sans offerings.
 
A Tsunehisa nakiri and a Shapton Kuromaku 1000, 1500, or 2000 would get you set up nicely to start out.
I'll check these out cheers!
If you're open to carbon/iron clad, Knife Japan and With Knives in NZ, have a lot to offer. From Knife Japan I'm partial to Homi sans offerings.
Open to trying new things tbh. Flick me a few ideas if you have time ;-)
 
I'll check these out cheers!

Open to trying new things tbh. Flick me a few ideas if you have time ;-)
Lots of discussion here: https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/knife-japan-whats-notable-worth-buying-etc.65378/

Again, I love my Homi knives. My 165 nakiri and santoku are among my favorite users. Need some sandpaper on the spine and choil, as most all knives in this class will, but easy enough.

I also use my Kawatsu 120 funayuki a ton. It's my general utility/small task/quick grab/chicken butchery knife. Love it and it might be a good way to dip your toe in.
 
Sorry @daves88 I'm cooking dinner and answering so my replies are a little incomplete.

Carbon/iron clad... Typically these aren't as bad as you might hear/see on the big ole interwebs. Yes, you will experience some discoloration on onions, garlic, etc. at first but it will stop fairly quickly. Just need some patina (passivation) and it'll stop. Yes you need to rinse and dry them more than stainless, especially after acidic ingredients, but it's generally not a big deal. I'm in a fairly dry environment and never oil my working knives.

What these knives bring, especially for you starting out, is good heat treats and simple carbon steels that are very sharpener friendly. Many stainless knives suck to sharpen, even for advanced sharpeners. Shirogami and Aogami are a dream. Ginsan is a stainless that sharpens nicely and my aforementioned Tsunehisa recommendation does it nicely. These knives are also typically pretty thin at the edge which further helps sharpening. And, being rustic, you won't be overly concerned about messing up aesthetics.

You Tube (especially a couple of the of the prominent vendors) had me scared of carbon and iron clad. I finally took the leap and I won't look back.
 
If you are willing to try ironclad, take a squiz at Shiro Kamo AS. Brilliant value for money.

They patina quickly and the patina is very stable.

The only downside in your use case is that the edge will degrade with acidic ingredients quicker than a stainless edge will. Having said that, if you rinse and dry straight after cutting acidic ingredients, you should be fine.
 
It would also be a great knife to learn sharpening on.
 
Yeah shipping to AU from US sucks for some reason
 
I feel like I'm going to end up working towards buying a few knives.

Happy for some specific knife recommendations.

I'm leaning towards:

1) SG2 Migaki Gyuto 210mm
2) Ginsan Migaki Nakiri 165mm
3) Ginsan Migaki Santoku 165mm-180mm

Is that too much Migaki? Or am I just being boring?

4) Tojiro SD Molybdenum Vanadium Bread Knife 270mm (VS Mercer Culinary Millennia Wide Bread Knife)

These appear to have some decent reviews for a bread knife.
 

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