Standardized test method to assess wedging? And food release

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If it requires a lot more force after sharpening, then yup probably would need a good thinning.

To gauge edge sharpness and retention we have the BESS and CATRA tests, which boast a reasonably standardized testing methodology.

Is there something similar for assessing wedging-related grind geometry? I want to be able to say my thinning has improved performance from X to Y points on some scale and now my knife is more lasery in a quantifiable way.

I see there is this system but ideally more accessible, doable with common household equipment already found in one’s kitchen. The way the HHT is accessible.

And same question but for food release and stiction.
 
Interesting..! Beside cutting trough a carrot to test wedging, I never found anything more "accurate" 😅

What carrot?
Winterpeen, waspeen, bospeen, yellow carrot, purple carrot?
Fresh carrot? Rimply-old carrot?



Sorry for the Dutch words, I didn't learn all the different carrots in high school 😅
 
I guess standardized medium is the problem. You need something fairly uniform , rigid and dense and of the same thickness and density every test. One also need to decide how tall the medium should be for the particular test.

Perhaps some sort of foam/rubber?
 
great question, i have started to film and share comparisons on Instagram. Sweet potato and carrot for wedging, potato and cucumber for release, onion for tip thinness etc. I can tell a difference but without an actual standard it is hard for others to actually gauge.
 
Hmmm, seems like at the most basic level you’re measuring force through a standard object. So you settle on a standard object, eg a 2” cross-section of potato. Put your object on a scale and cut through by pressing straight down. The max weight during the cut is your measurement.

So basically a CATRA test but with a heavier scale and a chunkier thing to cut than a piece of string. Finding a good standard object might be tricky part - ideally you’d want something consistently mass produced, like string cheese except probably thicker (and obviously not cheese cause that’s too soft and sticky).
 
I have found this topic to be really difficult to quantify. I have found that tests calibrated by me, like a hht or thumbnail test, etc…. is very subjective but are the most useful to me when assessing geometry and ht as they are connected and work together or against each other. Take catra for instance, it only tells you that the edge wear is better or worse but doesn’t address edge geometry and the steels ability to hold an edge with lateral force applied. There is always balance, especially with kitchen knives as well as the person using that particular knife.

For wedging, assuming that edge is well formed and the shoulder has been taken off, think secant ogive as the shape of the bevels to edge. We should experience very smooth and consistent cut initiation but the knife gets sticky or hard to drive through the cutting medium because there is too abrupt a change in the shape of the bevel. I have found that if I take the shape to a flatter sectional geometry that the cutting experience is way smoother throughout the cut DESPITE the extra width of a thicker grind. If I feel the knife to abruptly get stuck I know my shape is too convex in that area or the shape of it isn’t a smooth transition. Quantifying it though has been very difficult for me and the only way to really to get an understanding has required me to make a knife then constantly be changing the shape of the convex in order to achieve the feeling in the cut I want as well as some food release.

In short, I have no idea what a test would look like that everyone could understand regardless of their interest/professional background.
 
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