Suehiro (Ouka) 3000 or Chosera 3000?

[JesusisLord]

What stone is better?
Suehiro (Ouka) 3000 or Chosera 3000?

 

[deltaplex]

Suehiro.

 

[enchappo]

I’ve not tried the ouka but really rate the chosera 3k

 

[jedy617]

I love my chosera 3k.

 

[Benuser]

Much will depend on what you're looking for. The Chosera — Naniwa Professional these days — delivers a 4k final edge, is very fast and allows huge jumps — think 320>NP — with a little number of strokes. It's a splash and go, although a lot of people will apply water on top and wait a few minutes. Remarkable is the both tactile and auditory feedback it delivers. With varying the amount of pressure, water, mud, you may get very different results.
Hard to imagine the need of any finer one after it when used with double-bevelled knives in Western cuisine.
Great for touching-up.
The Ouka is a soaker. Will work very well in a conventional progression. Available in a smaller size, and much less expensive. Haven't used it so far as a last stone.
Can't compare their qualities as a polisher, if that matters.

 

[deliyski]

Don't have the Suehiro, have the Naniwa. Can't imagine better stone. The Finnish, the edge is a lot finer than higher grit stones and somehow it last longer. It's a smart stone. Money well spent t

 

[Strozzi]

Have the Ouka, love the Ouka, never tried the Cerax.

 

[kitchensamurai1]

Hard to imagine a better stone than the Chosera 3000, even if it is on the pricier side. That and the Chosera 800 are probably the two best stones in that series.

 

[jedy617]

800 and 3k chosera are the 2 stones I would choose if I could only have 2 in my life

 

[BarryMM]

800 and 3k chosera are the 2 stones I would choose if I could only have 2 in my life

These are still my go to stones.

 

[enchappo]

These are still my go to stones.

Yep. The 800 and 3k chosera and a 220 pink brick were the first stones I ever bought. I’ve bought many more in the years since, but I could have just stopped there.

 

[cotedupy]

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(The Ouka is better).

 

[arthurfowler]

I have both stones and prefer the Ouka. I used the Ouka last night on a Denka Gyuto and it felt great and put a lovely edge on it.

 

[shobudonnie]

Ouka 3000, cerax 3000, chosera 3000, morihei 4000, rika 5000, masahiro 3000 will all deliver similar edges. Chosera 3000 will stand out if you want a glossy mirror polish.

If you want a noticeably finer edge than what these give you, you have to go into the 6000 grit stones. But by that point, I would just go into jnats.

 

[labor of love]

I like Ouka more than chosera 3k. Chosera 3k edge isn’t that much better than Ouka IMO, but even if it is one could pick up a SG 4K+Ouka for less cost than a chosera 3k and have decent versatility w both of those stones.

 

[jedy617]

Listen. The Chosera 3000 is Ryky the God himself, Burrfection's favorite whetstone. That is all you need to know.

 

[M1k3]

Listen. The Chosera 3000 is Ryky the God himself, Burrfection's favorite whetstone. That is all you need to know.

 

[Kiru]

I don't have the Ouka 3K but the Chosera 3K is probably my least favourite stone in the chosera line.

The 2K is a way better stone in my humble opinion.

 

[Benuser]

I don't have the Ouka 3K but the Chosera 3K is probably my least favourite stone in the chosera line.

The 2K is a way better stone in my humble opinion.

Curious how you can substantiate it. The Chosera 2 and 3k have a totally different character.The 2k makes an aggressive start but will be ending around 3k. Excellent. Great last stone with a lot of stainless, one would expect.There is a problem, though. For proper deburring, you restart with a clean stone. And there the initially aggressive character is no advantage. Very hard to gently abrade a burr without raising a new one with every stroke. Only solution is to first raise some mud and dilute it. Or deburr on another stone.

 

[cotedupy]

Have the Ouka, love the Ouka, never tried the Cerax.

They're the same stone btw.

That and the Chosera 800 are probably the two best stones in that series.

800 and 3k chosera

These are still my go to stones.

Yep. The 800 and 3k chosera

I'd actually agree with this sentiment too. When I tried the NP lineup a while back the 800 and 3k were the only ones I felt were worth bothering with particualrly. Interesting to see so many other people feel they're the best of the range too.

The big problem that both have imo) and why I've never owned either myself, is that they come up against some real gems at the same grit levels. The King 800 is completely superb, and as @JPO pointed out to me yesterday - the SP1K has an almost identical particle size to the Chosera 800.

And then of course the Ouka / Cerax 3k is probably the best Japanese synthetic waterstone ever made.*

Those two NPs are both undeniably good stones, no one would be disappointed with them. They're just unfortunate that they're playing in very tough divisions.**




* Maybe along with the SG500.

** See that? That's an NFL playoff metaphor right there. I know how to communicate on a level with you 'mericans!