Two cleaver recommendation

[Perzua]

Hello

I absolutely loved cleavers over my nakiris and gyutos and im searching something similar to Toyama/Wat performance.

My first and only cleaver is Chopper King B2 steel. I bought this cleaver for test and I want something longer and better.

My carbon picks are:

Cleaver from Wat but I dont really like white 1 steel
Mizuno Tanrenjo Akitada Hontanren Series Virgin Carbon Steel Chinese Cleaver No.6 from JCK

https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...ries-virgin-carbon-steel-chinese-cleaver-no-6
https://knifejapan.com/okubo-kajiya-takenoko-nakiri-210mm-aogami-2/
This one looks interesting but im a little bit confused. Nakiri ? For bamboo shoots ?

Okubo Kajiya Takenoko Nakiri 210mm Aogami #2

or ?

My stainless pick is:

Sugimoto CM-4030

or ?

Gesshin Ginga will be best but its impossible to get one

So two cleavers needed carbon and stainless. Carbon 220 mm or longer, stainless can be 200 mm. Im from EU territory but US is not problem for me. Handle does not matter.


Lukas,

 

[Sdo]

Markin. Andrei does absolutely killer knives. Cleavers are no exception.

 

[Perzua]

Markin. Andrei does absolutely killer knives. Cleavers are no exception.

You mean Andrey Markin from RU ?

 

[Sdo]

You mean Andrey Markin from RU ?

Yes.
Cheers.

 

[Perzua]

Yes.
Cheers.

I don't know about this.

 

[Sdo]

I don't know about this.

What do you mean?

 

[Perzua]

What do you mean?

personal thoughts

 

[blokey]

I’d say Toyama 210mm Nakiri or Sakai Kikumori Gokujyo cleaver from Miura. Both really good.

 

[blokey]

For stainless I’m actually gonna suggest something cheap here… A Dengjia 9Cr series, good grind, ok steel. CM4030 will have better steel tho. Another choice is the Sakai Takayuki Swedish stainless.

 

[Perzua]

I’d say Toyama 210mm Nakiri or Sakai Kikumori Gokujyo cleaver from Miura. Both really good.

I consider Toyama Nakiri 210 but its not tall as Cleaver.
Sakai Kikumori Gokujyo cleaver from Miura is not available.

 

[blokey]

I consider Toyama Nakiri 210 but its not tall as Cleaver.
Sakai Kikumori Gokujyo cleaver from Miura is not available.

That one should be quick to restock, if you can wait those are great. The Takayuki I talked about is also available there, there’s also a Zanmai SG2 cleaver, they are pretty good for more factory knives. For Toyama I think the important thing is not height but rather weight, with its weight it is an excellent cutter, more cleaver than Nakiri. Of course if you can wait even more I’d say wait for Spåre’s list to be open again, his stuff is just nice and well priced. Also consider Cruzeiro facas from Brazil or @MSicardCutlery here, their cleavers are great too.
https://miuraknives.com/japanese-kn...nese-knife-sakai-takayuki.html#/55-size-195cmhttps://miuraknives.com/japanese-kn...1825-japanese-knife-zanmai.html#/35-size-18cm

 

[HumbleHomeCook]

Paging @tostadas.

 

[Perzua]

That one should be quick to restock, if you can wait those are great. The Takayuki I talked about is also available there, there’s also a Zanmai SG2 cleaver, they are pretty good for more factory knives. For Toyama I think the important thing is not height but rather weight, with its weight it is an excellent cutter, more cleaver than Nakiri. Of course if you can wait even more I’d say wait for Spåre’s list to be open again, his stuff is just nice and well priced. Also consider Cruzeiro facas from Brazil or @MSicardCutlery here, their cleavers are great too.
https://miuraknives.com/japanese-kn...nese-knife-sakai-takayuki.html#/55-size-195cmhttps://miuraknives.com/japanese-kn...1825-japanese-knife-zanmai.html#/35-size-18cm

Thank you for suggestions

 

[BillHanna]

The Okubo can be tweaked to your needs, through an email with Michael at that site. Or just put Sicard to work.

 

[tostadas]

There's not too many options for off the shelf high end cleavers. Watanabe looks crazy expensive for what you get. But luckily there's a number of custom makers that will do stuff at competetive pricing.

For carbon, I'd reach out to fellipi Porto on ig. He's out of Brazil and does good work with simple carbons and wrought iron.

The okubo is awesome, big and beefy. I made a project out of mine and love it. Not like a Watanabe grind though in the least.
Okubo Cleaver Refinishing Project Pics

For stainless, ask Matt sicard @MSicardCutlery to make you something. I have a Magnacut cleaver from him but he also has more budget friendly options like AEBL.

Other Japanese makers include isamitsu (very expensive) and Takeda which you can look into also.