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Greatly appreciate the time and effort you guys are going through for this. Not easy to do.
Greatly appreciate the time and effort you guys are going through for this. Not easy to do.
KKF Massdrop II - Xerxes
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Just to confirm these are heel to tip sizing right. Not sakai sizing?
Unless dastardly things are done, then yes, 270 is in play
Sooooooo... how dastardly, exactly? Asking for a friend.
Great news! Thanks for the chance at this opportunity
RockyBasel
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the 270 ship is not in this ride! It’s 250 only my friend. In the Honyaki mass-drop, we had only 1 taker for the 270. So we skipped it in this dropThere were earlier discussions about tattoos on butt cheeks......
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You should do a mass drop for a boardsmith or something next since it seems like everyone here is cutting on coasters 
I have infinite Marcelo envy as the only 270 dalman in the bunch, he can probably test my dastardly limit if he ever wants to let his go. Seems like this is a group of pot stirrers so I’m in here with a long handled spoon. Your heel heights feel like 250 and 270 sizing or maybe I should use my cleavers more to get used to it or find an old takeda. All fun and games, I think if chosen I can be happy with the 250 
I have infinite Marcelo envy as the only 270 dalman in the bunch, he can probably test my dastardly limit if he ever wants to let his go. Seems like this is a group of pot stirrers so I’m in here with a long handled spoon. Your heel heights feel like 250 and 270 sizing or maybe I should use my cleavers more to get used to it or find an old takeda. All fun and games, I think if chosen I can be happy with the 250 
BillHanna
Gotta get ready for ARM
I'll tell my friend.
I'm in for a 250 anyway - 270 would start to be hard to fit on my strip or my board: I like to have a bit of room to work. My board is relatively large: 45 x 61cm, but 220 to 250 hits my sweet spot just fine thanks.
Hi folks, understandably there are a lot of questions on your part and in this post I would like to try to answer some of them.
But first something fundamental:
At the moment I am still working full-time on several other knife projects and therefore I am very busy. I will visit the forum regularly but I will not, at least for the moment, show the same presence as the three organizers. Of course, that will change as soon as production officially begins. At the moment I have to make sure that I get the preparation organized parallel to my actual work. I ask for your understanding if it sometimes takes a little longer.
How I work:
Many have difficulty classifying me as a knife maker. That's because I wasn't fixated on one type of knife. Anyone who orders a knife from me quickly realizes that there are no standard knife types, there is not even a standard ordering process. Rather, I try to tailor each knife individually to the needs of the client. Because if I have learned one thing in recent years, it is that there is no such thing as "the one perfect knife". My shop knives also show a wide range of different profiles, geometries, materials, etc. That is one of the reasons why I give a very detailed description of each knife. So it makes little sense to go through the gallery of my shop or my IG profile to find out what the massdrop knife will be like. You can only do that to get a general impression of my work. What I can say is that the Massdrop knife will be an independent and individual knife, which I designed and developed especially for the KKF in cooperation with the organizers.
As things stand so far, the knife will have the following characteristics:
The cutting edge is slightly curved over the entire length. The curvature is much less pronounced towards the choil, but the knife will not have a real flat spot. The tip will be about midway through the height of the blade. The profile is therefore primarily designed for the push cut.
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Rocking motion is also possible.
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Chopping is also theoretically possible, but a knife with more flatspot would be an advantage here. The focus is clearly on the push cut and, to a certain extent, on the rocking motion.
The geometry becomes quite complex. At Workhoses I like to work with a quadruple taper. The "Walkschliff" is characterized as follows. Overall, the blade is ground convex, with the thickest point of the blade lying roughly between the middle and the upper third of the blade height. The blade becomes a little thinner towards the back. Why quadruple taper? 1: The thickness of the blade will taper sharply starting from the choil. 2: The thickest part of the blade is at the choil about halfway up the blade and moves upwards the further you get to the tip. This inevitably results in a further change in the angle of the primary bevel. 3: The convexity of the entire blade decreases towards the tip. 4: The bevel on the first cm behind the cutting edge is more convex in the area of the choil and becomes almost flat towards the tip. This results in a very slight incision in the front area of the blade and a significantly stronger displacement towards the choil. The absolute blade strength will be in the following range.
Thickness at the tang: approx. 6mm
Thickness at the choil: approx. 5.5mm
Thickness in the middle: approx. 2.7mm
Thickness 20mm in front of the tip: approx. 1.1mm
I had already made a sketch for the organizers, but it was only a picture of the first ideas. That's why I'm not going to post them here. In the coming days I will try to create a meaningful sketch.
And since it was briefly discussed here, I know what I'm getting myself into when I make 30 knives ;-)
Many greetings, Jannis
But first something fundamental:
At the moment I am still working full-time on several other knife projects and therefore I am very busy. I will visit the forum regularly but I will not, at least for the moment, show the same presence as the three organizers. Of course, that will change as soon as production officially begins. At the moment I have to make sure that I get the preparation organized parallel to my actual work. I ask for your understanding if it sometimes takes a little longer.
How I work:
Many have difficulty classifying me as a knife maker. That's because I wasn't fixated on one type of knife. Anyone who orders a knife from me quickly realizes that there are no standard knife types, there is not even a standard ordering process. Rather, I try to tailor each knife individually to the needs of the client. Because if I have learned one thing in recent years, it is that there is no such thing as "the one perfect knife". My shop knives also show a wide range of different profiles, geometries, materials, etc. That is one of the reasons why I give a very detailed description of each knife. So it makes little sense to go through the gallery of my shop or my IG profile to find out what the massdrop knife will be like. You can only do that to get a general impression of my work. What I can say is that the Massdrop knife will be an independent and individual knife, which I designed and developed especially for the KKF in cooperation with the organizers.
As things stand so far, the knife will have the following characteristics:
The cutting edge is slightly curved over the entire length. The curvature is much less pronounced towards the choil, but the knife will not have a real flat spot. The tip will be about midway through the height of the blade. The profile is therefore primarily designed for the push cut.
Link
Rocking motion is also possible.
Link
Chopping is also theoretically possible, but a knife with more flatspot would be an advantage here. The focus is clearly on the push cut and, to a certain extent, on the rocking motion.
The geometry becomes quite complex. At Workhoses I like to work with a quadruple taper. The "Walkschliff" is characterized as follows. Overall, the blade is ground convex, with the thickest point of the blade lying roughly between the middle and the upper third of the blade height. The blade becomes a little thinner towards the back. Why quadruple taper? 1: The thickness of the blade will taper sharply starting from the choil. 2: The thickest part of the blade is at the choil about halfway up the blade and moves upwards the further you get to the tip. This inevitably results in a further change in the angle of the primary bevel. 3: The convexity of the entire blade decreases towards the tip. 4: The bevel on the first cm behind the cutting edge is more convex in the area of the choil and becomes almost flat towards the tip. This results in a very slight incision in the front area of the blade and a significantly stronger displacement towards the choil. The absolute blade strength will be in the following range.
Thickness at the tang: approx. 6mm
Thickness at the choil: approx. 5.5mm
Thickness in the middle: approx. 2.7mm
Thickness 20mm in front of the tip: approx. 1.1mm
I had already made a sketch for the organizers, but it was only a picture of the first ideas. That's why I'm not going to post them here. In the coming days I will try to create a meaningful sketch.
And since it was briefly discussed here, I know what I'm getting myself into when I make 30 knives ;-)
Many greetings, Jannis
@nakiriknaifuwaifu
Will you post a list with all the names before closing the massdrop so we can see if we are on the list?
Thank you!
Will you post a list with all the names before closing the massdrop so we can see if we are on the list?
Thank you!
RockyBasel
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Thanks for this really detailed construction description 
It is really well thought out
It is really well thought out
nakiriknaifuwaifu
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Yes. I'll repeat this when I close it, but I'll post a list with everyone who signed up on after closing (11:59 PM GMT +1) Monday, and if you don't see your name you can reply to the order message you sent me as proof you got in before close. I will update the list accordingly.
“Spock, can you get us out of here?”
“Yes Captain, but I have to precisely calculate our path through the 4th dimensional quadruple taper intersection or the ship will be torn to pieces.”
“Call Jannis in engineering, he’s done this before”
RockyBasel
KKF Sponsor
Aye-Aye captain!
After Jannis gave us that quadruple, convex then flat, knife geometry lesson, I just wanted to say “BOOM”
This is going to be fun AND educational. 
RockyBasel
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He is a Master! King Xerses has spoken
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@Xerxes, so excited by your message that the massdrop knife will be a 1.2562 mono instead!
you need a life
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Where did you read that? Isn't it san mai@Xerxes, so excited by your message that the massdrop knife will be a 1.2562 mono instead!
https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/kkf-massdrop-ii-xerxes.52681/page-13#post-802651
BillHanna
Gotta get ready for ARM
It’s just trolly shenanigans. That’s what the wink is for.
spaceconvoy
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a similar example would be, "@josemartinlopez so excited by your message that you'll go back to lurking for the foreseeable future
"
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Ban him...... again
RockyBasel
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Maybe the Xerxes will replace the Tanaka ironwood as the best beginners knife.
BillHanna
Gotta get ready for ARM
I cant afford to participate, but I’m super interested in learning Some new things as this progresses.
1000 euro beginners knives? What does one upgrade to? Vibranium?
RockyBasel
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This will be very educational - I mean just reading about the geometry was educational
But jannis will do a walk through of his workshop this week - and talk about his machines - that should be interesting
