Shig. Kasumi DIY

[superworrier]

Another modded knife that was sold as a limited run by a retailer: “B” Grade Tokushu Modified Chromax Steel (Like AS) 165mm Bunka
Honestly I think there's nothing wrong as they didn't misrepresent it but I wonder what Takamura would say if they knew.

 

[Jville]

Shigafusa does sub-optimal heat treatment and this thread should be an example of what to do when you buy such a knife.

Why would you say that? I would disagree, shig steel some of my favorite steel, excellent stuff.

If it was sub optimal I would not own one. Jedy approved. However I'm getting ideas from this thread...

Don’t you go becoming a Shig fu(k$r

 

[DitmasPork]

Other likeminded projects.

 

[Justinv]

Why would you say that? I would disagree, shig steel some of my favorite steel, excellent stuff.

Just a joke referencing the High Drama thread.

 

[Jville]

Other likeminded projects.
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Those are way better.

 

[tostadas]

Other likeminded projects.
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I will buy this.

But seriously... imagine trying to drive that pink car with the water fountain blocking 80% of your windshield

 

[Homechef]

Other likeminded projects.
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Maybe a little more like this - the Miata pick-up...

 

[DitmasPork]

In the spirit of this thread.

 

[Patinated]

In MaShe's defense—he inspired me to convert my Shig into a super-sized Spyderco Chaparral. Will post process shots.

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This made my day

 

[Luftmensch]

referencing the High Drama thread.

Indeed... I wrote to the Iizuka family... I said: "sick knives bro... but suboptimal HRC. For a knife in that price category they should be +2HRC higher. Trust me. Edge retention...."

Then I participated in a twitter war and started putting up posters around my neighborhood (on top of missing cat flyers) about how Shigefusa had doxxed me and .... edge retention....

Seriously... I have a friend. He'll back me up... he thinks Kato Kanji is childish... also edge retention

 

[jedy617]

 

[DitmasPork]

Just a joke referencing the High Drama thread.

Dammit! I’d taken a short break from KKF, can’t believe I missed the ‘High Drama’ thread!

 

[Justinv]

Warning: if you read the entirety of this thread and the High Drama thread in one sitting you are unfit to post. Please go do something else.

 

[Blank Blades.]

Dammit! I’d taken a short break from KKF, can’t believe I missed the ‘High Drama’ thread!

I said the same thing.... Well, idk i might have just been chilling in the sharpening station. Where no one has any super heated arguments, well, unless you talk about sharpening high mc carbide steels.

 

[ma_sha1]

***Note: Not returning to knife hobby or forum, just stopping by one time for a looonnng overdue update. Will not be able to respond to questions, but wishing everyone doing well & enjoying a good start of 2023!***

I can’t believe I run into this thread several years later & it’s still going, lol.

Although I quit the forum & kitchen knife hobby almost 3 years, I still love this little Shig & use it almost daily, but more like a average person that beat up their knives, no babying it. I recently did a round of thinning, & didn’t even bother to polish it up.

However, I decided to stop by for a guest appearance for another reason. It’s for the big knife in the back, that’s Big Kato DIY I made after leaving the forum. Let me just clarify upfront, it’s not a Kato, rather, a DIY to produce a big heavy Kato like knife. I sold my real Kato but kept the DIY version, because it performed similarly to Kato WH but only cost $200.

The knife is 220mm long weight hefty 260g with beefy spine 5.5mm at handle, 4mm at heel, 3mm in middle & 1.1mm @ 1cm from tip. At 52mm tall, I made it taller than typical Kato because I like tall knives & the grind is edge to spine full convex.

The knife started it’s life as a well known brand 240mm Swedish steel Western Deba that had 10mm thick spine & weighted 500g, the amount of grinding work was about 5 times of what went into the Shig job. The steel is not super hard but tough, can act as a chicken splitter as it chops through chicken bones with ease. However, it chipped at chopping a Turkey leg, & I learned it’s limit.

FYI, here are some Big Kato geometries I collected & used as reference when making the DIY. One thing strikes me was that the amount of variations between these big Kato WH knives were huge, might explain why the difference of opinions out there on Kato?

Big Kato geometries 220-240mm:
Kato WH 218 mm: H 47mm, blade 218mm long, weight 193g. (low profile, light for a Kato)

Kato WH 220mm (Kurouchi Gyuto):
H 47 mm, L - Heel to Tip 220mm, Weight 220g. Handle/heel/mid/1 CM from tip:
6.0/5.0/2.8/1.3 mm (low profile)

Kato WH 230mm: H 49mm, L 230 mm, 250g. 5.7/5.0/2.8/1.0 = spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip.
(Tall Kato, good WH weight slightly over 1g/mm)

Kato WH 240mm - JNS: H 45mm, Heel to Tip Length- 240mm, 270 g. : Width of Spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip: 6mm/5mm/3mm/2mm
(low profile, hefty weight > 1g/mm)

Big Kato DIY target:
220mm long, > 50mm tall, ~6mm spine, full convex grind, hefty weight > 1g/mm.

 

[blokey]

I can’t believe I run into this thread several years later & it’s still going, lol.

Although I quit the forum & kitchen knife hobby almost 3 years, I still love this little Shig & use it almost daily, but more like a average person that beat up their knives, no babying it. I recently did a round of thinning, & didn’t even bother to polish it up.

However, I decided to stop by for a guest appearance for another reason. It’s for the big knife in the back, that’s Big Kato DIY I made after leaving the forum. Let me just clarify upfront, it’s not a Kato, rather, a DIY to produce a big heavy Kato like knife. I sold my real Kato but kept the DIY version, because it performed similarly to Kato WH but only cost $200.

The knife is 220mm long weight hefty 260g with beefy spine 5.5mm at handle, 4mm at heel, 3mm in middle & 1.1mm @ 1cm from tip. At 52mm tall, I made it taller than typical Kato because I like tall knives & the grind is edge to spine full convex.

The knife started it’s life as a well known brand 240mm Swedish steel Western Deba that had 10mm thick spine & weighted 500g, the amount of grinding work was about 5 times of what went into the Shig job. The steel is not super hard but tough, can act as a chicken splitter as it chops through chicken bones with ease. However, it chipped at chopping a Turkey leg, & I learned it’s limit.

FYI, here are some Big Kato geometries I collected & used as reference when making the DIY. One thing strikes me was that the amount of variations between these big Kato WH knives were huge, might explain why the difference of opinions out there on Kato?

Big Kato geometries 220-240mm:
Kato WH 218 mm: H 47mm, blade 218mm long, weight 193g. (low profile, light for a Kato)

Kato WH 220mm (Kurouchi Gyuto):
H 47 mm, L - Heel to Tip 220mm, Weight 220g. Handle/heel/mid/1 CM from tip:
6.0/5.0/2.8/1.3 mm (low profile)

Kato WH 230mm: H 49mm, L 230 mm, 250g. 5.7/5.0/2.8/1.0 = spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip.
(Tall Kato, good WH weight slightly over 1g/mm)

Kato WH 240mm - JNS: H 45mm, Heel to Tip Length- 240mm, 270 g. : Width of Spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip: 6mm/5mm/3mm/2mm
(low profile, hefty weight > 1g/mm)

Big Kato DIY target:
220mm long, > 50mm tall, ~6mm spine, full convex grind, hefty weight > 1g/mm.

He’s back!!

 

[blokey]

At this point you are basically taking a blank and making new knives, and that’s pretty awesome.

 

[M1k3]

I can’t believe I run into this thread several years later & it’s still going, lol.

Although I quit the forum & kitchen knife hobby almost 3 years, I still love this little Shig & use it almost daily, but more like a average person that beat up their knives, no babying it. I recently did a round of thinning, & didn’t even bother to polish it up.

However, I decided to stop by for a guest appearance for another reason. It’s for the big knife in the back, that’s Big Kato DIY I made after leaving the forum. Let me just clarify upfront, it’s not a Kato, rather, a DIY to produce a big heavy Kato like knife. I sold my real Kato but kept the DIY version, because it performed similarly to Kato WH but only cost $200.

The knife is 220mm long weight hefty 260g with beefy spine 5.5mm at handle, 4mm at heel, 3mm in middle & 1.1mm @ 1cm from tip. At 52mm tall, I made it taller than typical Kato because I like tall knives & the grind is edge to spine full convex.

The knife started it’s life as a well known brand 240mm Swedish steel Western Deba that had 10mm thick spine & weighted 500g, the amount of grinding work was about 5 times of what went into the Shig job. The steel is not super hard but tough, can act as a chicken splitter as it chops through chicken bones with ease. However, it chipped at chopping a Turkey leg, & I learned it’s limit.

FYI, here are some Big Kato geometries I collected & used as reference when making the DIY. One thing strikes me was that the amount of variations between these big Kato WH knives were huge, might explain why the difference of opinions out there on Kato?

Big Kato geometries 220-240mm:
Kato WH 218 mm: H 47mm, blade 218mm long, weight 193g. (low profile, light for a Kato)

Kato WH 220mm (Kurouchi Gyuto):
H 47 mm, L - Heel to Tip 220mm, Weight 220g. Handle/heel/mid/1 CM from tip:
6.0/5.0/2.8/1.3 mm (low profile)

Kato WH 230mm: H 49mm, L 230 mm, 250g. 5.7/5.0/2.8/1.0 = spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip.
(Tall Kato, good WH weight slightly over 1g/mm)

Kato WH 240mm - JNS: H 45mm, Heel to Tip Length- 240mm, 270 g. : Width of Spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip: 6mm/5mm/3mm/2mm
(low profile, hefty weight > 1g/mm)

Big Kato DIY target:
220mm long, > 50mm tall, ~6mm spine, full convex grind, hefty weight > 1g/mm.

Welcome back! Glad to see you around again.

 

[jedy617]

Return of the king.

 

[Dull_Apex]

I can’t believe I run into this thread several years later & it’s still going, lol.

Although I quit the forum & kitchen knife hobby almost 3 years, I still love this little Shig & use it almost daily, but more like a average person that beat up their knives, no babying it. I recently did a round of thinning, & didn’t even bother to polish it up.

However, I decided to stop by for a guest appearance for another reason. It’s for the big knife in the back, that’s Big Kato DIY I made after leaving the forum. Let me just clarify upfront, it’s not a Kato, rather, a DIY to produce a big heavy Kato like knife. I sold my real Kato but kept the DIY version, because it performed similarly to Kato WH but only cost $200.

The knife is 220mm long weight hefty 260g with beefy spine 5.5mm at handle, 4mm at heel, 3mm in middle & 1.1mm @ 1cm from tip. At 52mm tall, I made it taller than typical Kato because I like tall knives & the grind is edge to spine full convex.

The knife started it’s life as a well known brand 240mm Swedish steel Western Deba that had 10mm thick spine & weighted 500g, the amount of grinding work was about 5 times of what went into the Shig job. The steel is not super hard but tough, can act as a chicken splitter as it chops through chicken bones with ease. However, it chipped at chopping a Turkey leg, & I learned it’s limit.

FYI, here are some Big Kato geometries I collected & used as reference when making the DIY. One thing strikes me was that the amount of variations between these big Kato WH knives were huge, might explain why the difference of opinions out there on Kato?

Big Kato geometries 220-240mm:
Kato WH 218 mm: H 47mm, blade 218mm long, weight 193g. (low profile, light for a Kato)

Kato WH 220mm (Kurouchi Gyuto):
H 47 mm, L - Heel to Tip 220mm, Weight 220g. Handle/heel/mid/1 CM from tip:
6.0/5.0/2.8/1.3 mm (low profile)

Kato WH 230mm: H 49mm, L 230 mm, 250g. 5.7/5.0/2.8/1.0 = spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip.
(Tall Kato, good WH weight slightly over 1g/mm)

Kato WH 240mm - JNS: H 45mm, Heel to Tip Length- 240mm, 270 g. : Width of Spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip: 6mm/5mm/3mm/2mm
(low profile, hefty weight > 1g/mm)

Big Kato DIY target:
220mm long, > 50mm tall, ~6mm spine, full convex grind, hefty weight > 1g/mm.

Welcome back!

I found your documentation of the shig and Damascus-to-kato modifications to be insightful. Did you happen to document this deba-to-Kato as well?

 

[Jville]

I can’t believe I run into this thread several years later & it’s still going, lol.

Although I quit the forum & kitchen knife hobby almost 3 years, I still love this little Shig & use it almost daily, but more like a average person that beat up their knives, no babying it. I recently did a round of thinning, & didn’t even bother to polish it up.

However, I decided to stop by for a guest appearance for another reason. It’s for the big knife in the back, that’s Big Kato DIY I made after leaving the forum. Let me just clarify upfront, it’s not a Kato, rather, a DIY to produce a big heavy Kato like knife. I sold my real Kato but kept the DIY version, because it performed similarly to Kato WH but only cost $200.

The knife is 220mm long weight hefty 260g with beefy spine 5.5mm at handle, 4mm at heel, 3mm in middle & 1.1mm @ 1cm from tip. At 52mm tall, I made it taller than typical Kato because I like tall knives & the grind is edge to spine full convex.

The knife started it’s life as a well known brand 240mm Swedish steel Western Deba that had 10mm thick spine & weighted 500g, the amount of grinding work was about 5 times of what went into the Shig job. The steel is not super hard but tough, can act as a chicken splitter as it chops through chicken bones with ease. However, it chipped at chopping a Turkey leg, & I learned it’s limit.

FYI, here are some Big Kato geometries I collected & used as reference when making the DIY. One thing strikes me was that the amount of variations between these big Kato WH knives were huge, might explain why the difference of opinions out there on Kato?

Big Kato geometries 220-240mm:
Kato WH 218 mm: H 47mm, blade 218mm long, weight 193g. (low profile, light for a Kato)

Kato WH 220mm (Kurouchi Gyuto):
H 47 mm, L - Heel to Tip 220mm, Weight 220g. Handle/heel/mid/1 CM from tip:
6.0/5.0/2.8/1.3 mm (low profile)

Kato WH 230mm: H 49mm, L 230 mm, 250g. 5.7/5.0/2.8/1.0 = spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip.
(Tall Kato, good WH weight slightly over 1g/mm)

Kato WH 240mm - JNS: H 45mm, Heel to Tip Length- 240mm, 270 g. : Width of Spine Handle/heel/mid/1 cm from tip: 6mm/5mm/3mm/2mm
(low profile, hefty weight > 1g/mm)

Big Kato DIY target:
220mm long, > 50mm tall, ~6mm spine, full convex grind, hefty weight > 1g/mm.

The DIY kato looks great! And no Shigs were f()cked in the process.