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Elyas Liera

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Greetings, brothers,

Elyas here.
I am on the lookout for a Japanese blade to join me in my culinary adventures. One of the members here suggested me to fill in the below questionnaire, so here I am.

LOCATION
What country are you in?

I'm located in the enchanting country of Romania, a nation of pristine woodlands and a plentiful of nourishing ingredients.

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?

I am looking for the versatility of a chef's knife in Japanese steel.

Are you right or left handed?

Right handed.

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?

I've been using the Western handle for the past five years, and after trying a Japanese handle I concluded that it might be more suited for my style.

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?

I enjoy the big blades, so anything starting from 210mm would be great.

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)

Not necessarily. I am ready to embrace the responsibility of caring for a steel blade.

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?

I have around 250 euro to invest in a blade and a whetstone.

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?

I travel around the country with a carload of equipment and ingredients, preparing meals for private events, retreats, in various kinds of kitchens. Being adaptable and efficient is vital in my line of work. Therefore, the settings range from professional kitchens to home kitchens.

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)

I am involved in vegetarian and vegan cuisine only, so slicing and chopping vegetables is the main function of the blades that help me. I also do a la carte, relaxed fine dining for private dinners so I need precision in slicing for detailed plating.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?

It will be an addition to the two chef's knives and a cleaver that I currently use.

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)

I didn't realize until now that there are different styles of grips, but it totally makes sense. Most of the time, I use the Pinch grip.

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)

Different procedures, and different motions, but primarily I use the rocking motion, followed by push-cut and draw.

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

I'm looking for precision and finesse in cuts, comfort in use, and versatility.

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?

Most of the time wood and bamboo, followed by rubber.

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)

Yes, but I don't own a whetstone yet.

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

Definitely.

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)

Definitely.

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS

Thank you in advance for your input. I am enthusiastically looking forward to this.
 
Since you're in the EU, you can try looking at:

https://tetogi.com/en-fr/collection...availability=1&page=3&sort_by=price-ascending
https://www.cleancut.eu/butik/knifetype/gyuto
You should find a few good choices in your price range. Alternatively you can try this great deal if you don't mind used:

https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/...itsu-w2-gyuto-220-munetoshi-w2-santoku.67873/
Then get Shapton Glass 500 & 4000 and you're set.
Thank you for the suggestions. I am researching the options on tetogi.com, but I am very ok with finding one that has some extra stories to tell as well.
 
I just had a look at Munetoshi and this one got my attention:

Looks great to me. I prefer larger blades 240-270 +, but the upgraded handle looks good and it is a blade you can learn to thin and sharpen on without too much concern.

I haven’t owned this personally but it might be a good option for your pro use.
I also really appreciate Shiro Kamo's offerings. Well priced mid-weights that are easy to modify to your tastes.

How about this whetstone combo they have on promotion?
The deal, and grit combination seem good, but having never used that brand I can't really speak to the quality.
 
I'm not sure how the import works from Japan but after reading what you're looking for and your use, I immediately thought of an Ashi Ginga yo handle. Strikes a good balance of Japanese cutting performance but still being a durable do it all knife. A friend of mine is a caterer and this is his primary workhorse.

Also, the steel is a joy to use and sharpen. My personal favorite stainless steel on the stones.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234904310041?hash=item36b1635119:g:leMAAOSwPYNj8fLW
Edit: After reading in more detail, saw that you're looking for a Japanese style handle. Ashi has this same knife in that handle as well!
 
I haven’t owned this personally but it might be a good option for your pro use.

https://www.cleancut.eu/butik/knifetype/kiritsuke/hakata_kazan_shirokamo-4085-detail
This looks like a very nice knife, but unless the there is already a strong preference for the bunka shape over gyuto from the OP, I'd certainly recommend starting with a gyuto, but that only shows my preference. I have a super nice bunka myself, but I hardly ever use it, as gyuto is my preferred knife, and even nakiri would be next.
 
Yeah, I thought the flat-top hakata might respond specifically to the requirements for veggie-only knife capable of mukimono – since already experienced with rectangle … why not a k-tip bunka for a change vs the cow sword, which he already has two of. Vive la difference!
 
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With some hesitation, a few remarks. You're looking for a nice, Japanese knife. But you're a rock-chopper used to stainless Germans and don't sharpen yet. Not sure your new knife will get much use.
Your Germans have a very different profile, geometry, balance, weight, steel.
The Japanese have in general a lower tip, less belly, are much thinner, have a strong forward balance, are much lighter, and are made of much harder, mostly not stainless steel. Not exactly thought for rock-chopping, which involves hard contact with the board. When used in Western cuisine more suitable for forward slicing, as in the traditional French technique, guillotine and glide. Anyway, when used for rock-chopping I would adapt the sharpening accordingly, and prefer a Western handle. A strong forward balance as with a traditional Japanese handle wouldn't make much sense.
I wouldn't want to change all at once, and rather consider a Japanese knife with a Western handle, or an European one in harder, thin, carbon steel as a Robert Herder 1922, which is very different from modern Germans. Rather close to say a carbon steel Misono. Not that surprising, as both are further developments of the French chef's knife of the late 19th century.
Very decent Japanese Western monosteel carbons can be obtained for little money, but don't come ready for use out of the box. They require a serious thinning behind the edge and a first stone sharpening. In your case that will have to be done by the retailer. Don't ask a local sharpener to do it with his powered tools. He will for sure destroy the temper — and probably ignore the typical geometry as well.
The Robert Herder 1922 I have in mind comes in general with a decent edge requiring only some further refinement. Should come nail-flexing out of the factory.
Another interesting option may be a stainless clad with a hard carbon core. A great introduction to carbon steel, and providing an exceptional edge retention is this one: JCK Natures Deep Impact Series Gyuto (180mm to 240mm, 3 sizes)
Ask the owner, Mr Iwahara, koki at kencrest.us, for an initial stone sharpening. In my experience he is brilliant in limiting customs fees.
By the way, change your board. Bamboo contains a lot of silica — sand — and is terrible for fine edges.
 
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