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LOCATION
What country are you in?
Europe, but travel frequently to the US.

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chefs knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
A gyuto. I'd like one with some belly (e.g., the yoshikane skd looks like too flat of a profile). I'm looking for something laser-ish, but not too delicate or super thin. So a heavier laser or light midweight.

Are you right or left handed?
Left.

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
Japanese.

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
210-240mm.

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
I would prefer at least a semi-stainless cladding.

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
$300. I could go further up, but I'd prefer not to.



KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
Home.

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
All-purpose. I wouldn't use it for bones.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
None.

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
Pinch grip.

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Push cut, rock chop, slice. I learned to rock chop, but am going to try to unlearn it, or at least rely on it less.

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)
Decent food release. I'm looking for a slightly more substantial laser or a lightweight midweight. It seems like the Konosuke HD2 would be a fit for what I'm looking for, but reports of it being overpriced (at $350) have me wondering if there's something better in a similar price range.

Better aesthetics (e.g., a certain type of finish; layered/Damascus or other pattern of steel; different handle color/pattern/shape/wood; better scratch resistance; better stain resistance)?
Don't really like the damascus look. Aside from that, no strong preferences.

Comfort (e.g., lighter/heavier knife; better handle material; better handle shape; rounded spine/choil of the knife; improved balance)?
Nothing specific here, just that it's comfortable to use.

Ease of Use (e.g., ability to use the knife right out of the box; smoother rock chopping, push cutting, or slicing motion; less wedging; better food release; less reactivity with food; easier to sharpen)?
Less wedging and good food release. Not being too reactive, hence looking for a semi-stainless or stainless blade.

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
For home use, I wouldn't want to have to sharpen too often (so not more than once every few weeks). Good edge retention.


KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? (Yes or no.)
Rubber.

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
No.

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives? (Yes or no.)
Yes.

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
Yes, I have ordered a shapton 1000 stone.


SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
 
Kaeru stainless is not a good knife for lefty. It's heavily right biased.

Tanaka Ginsan would be good if you can find one. There was also a kagekiyo Ginsan on bst recently that would be perfect and within your price range.
 
Third upvote for Tanaka Ginsan, seems to fit your bill well. Makoto Kurosaki is another good maker to look at, he makes profiles with some good curves.

This SG2 gyuto from Cleancut is in the laser category and fully stainless. Makoto also makes the Ryusei line out of VG7 stainless steel. They aren't quite as thin as his SG2 knives but are still thin behind the edge, light-midweight category and have a wonderful profile that brings me joy every time I use it. The Ryusei is fairly similar to the Tanaka ginsan.

Shiro Kamo's Akuma is also worth a look. Heavyish laser, stainless clad aogami super with some front belly. It's hardened to 64-65 HRC so great edge retention at the cost of some toughness. It feels a little more brittle than the other recommendations but nothing fragile or needing babying. AS isn't particularly reactive and this iteration is quite mellow. He also makes several lines in R2/SG2 and VG10 if you want full stainless, I'm just not sure if they're as thin.

Lastly here's this Ogata SG2, he used to work for Shiro Kamo so the influence and similarity is noticeable. I have the bunka and it is heavy-laser category. Feels more robust than an equivalent Kobayashi.
 
Wow, thank you for all of the recommendations!

The Tanaka ginsan looks nice indeed, but I'm having trouble finding it in stock. I'll keep my eyes out.

This SG2 gyuto from Cleancut is in the laser category and fully stainless. Makoto also makes the Ryusei line out of VG7 stainless steel. They aren't quite as thin as his SG2 knives but are still thin behind the edge, light-midweight category and have a wonderful profile that brings me joy every time I use it. The Ryusei is fairly similar to the Tanaka ginsan.
For some reason the link doesn't work. I found a similar one in stock at Meester Slijpers. Do you know if the tsuchime finish is similar to the migaki finish? It seems pretty thin above the heel (1.9mm according to the site), so I imagine it's also very laserish. The profile also looks quite round, so it wouldn't be too much of a change from what I'm used to. I think this is a really good candidate.

Shiro Kamo's Akuma is also worth a look. Heavyish laser, stainless clad aogami super with some front belly. It's hardened to 64-65 HRC so great edge retention at the cost of some toughness. It feels a little more brittle than the other recommendations but nothing fragile or needing babying. AS isn't particularly reactive and this iteration is quite mellow. He also makes several lines in R2/SG2 and VG10 if you want full stainless, I'm just not sure if they're as thin.
Ah super nice-looking. This will be a tough choice.

I wasn't aware so many gyutos had such a right-handed bias. Are there any accessibly-priced left-biased gyutos out there?

Lastly, I found the HD2 for roughly $280, so actually in my price range. Is it heavily right-hand biased?
 
Wow, thank you for all of the recommendations!

The Tanaka ginsan looks nice indeed, but I'm having trouble finding it in stock. I'll keep my eyes out.


For some reason the link doesn't work. I found a similar one in stock at Meester Slijpers. Do you know if the tsuchime finish is similar to the migaki finish? It seems pretty thin above the heel (1.9mm according to the site), so I imagine it's also very laserish. The profile also looks quite round, so it wouldn't be too much of a change from what I'm used to. I think this is a really good candidate.


Ah super nice-looking. This will be a tough choice.

I wasn't aware so many gyutos had such a right-handed bias. Are there any accessibly-priced left-biased gyutos out there?

Lastly, I found the HD2 for roughly $280, so actually in my price range. Is it heavily right-hand biased?
Knives&Stones just had a restock of the 240 Tanaka ginsans like 2-3 weeks ago but they're a longstanding vendor with him so likely have priority(ish) supply, definitely keep an eye on their website/sign up for texts on resupply. They might be releasing their polished version soon, also worth a WTB post on BST here to see if anyone is willing to part with theirs, that's how I got mine. But also the Makoto Ryusei 240 will be very similar feeling if you can't find it, and VG7 holds a working edge longer in my experience, though it's a bit trickier to sharpen and I say that as a big ginsan fan.

For the Makoto: I've ordered from Meesterslijpers before they're good, just usually more expensive for USA buyers than Cleancut, the tsuchime SG2 is same profile as the polished one I linked. I actually prefer tsuchime finish.

I've never used HD2 steel, I didn't realize Shiro Kamo made one. Did you mean R2/SG2? I'm right-handed but the only thing I can think of being particularly biased is Shiro likes to use D-handles which are usually right handed. If you got an octagonal handle it'd be fine.
 
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