Cheap Ali cleaver improvements ?

[tarnschaf]

Hello KKF,
i got me a cheap cleaver and started to play around a bit.
My plan was and is to thin it, improve rounding and maybe rehandle later.

Measurements:
Hight 9.5 cm heel 10 cm mid 8.5 cm tip
Lenght: 31 cm Blade: 21 cm
Weight: 372g at start now 351g

Picture 1-4 is after i bought it 5-8 is after my work.

Work was done on a stone. For somer reason i did not warm up to sandpaper.
I noticed my stone was performing very differently throughout the sessions. I have no clue why. Did not correlate with flattening using SIC. Any ideas?

First i removed the forged skin as it was kind of gummy and smelly. After that i started to flatten the flanks.
There are still 2 big low spots on both sides which take ages to remove so far.
My questions is do i keep shaving the flanks down or do i start at the bevel now ?
The pictures are not as good as i wished if more information is needed pls ask.

Thanks all!
Cheers

Edit as i have no caliper i took a shot with a 5 cent coin ( ~1.67 mm thick ) in picture 9

 

[azn_knives_4l]

Test it out to check for cutting performance and food release? Also steering... One thing that people mention in passing is to keep an edge bevel on it as you're thinning to help preserve the profile even if the eventual goal is thinning to actual zero.

 

[cotedupy]

I'm not entirely certain what you mean by 'flanks', but I personally would thin it more around this area here:

 

[Skylar303]

I think they're referring to flanks as the blade faces.

 

[tarnschaf]

Hey thanks for the replys.
Sorry i was not clear. Flank for me was the blade face, the side, essentially everything between the back and bevel(?). Sorry my termini are not up to par.
I already thinned some at the suggested spot as seen in pic 9. How thin can i go ? Actually below 1mm at the edge ?

Cheers

 

[aporigine]

Hey thanks for the replys.
Sorry i was not clear. Flank for me was the blade face, the side, essentially everything between the back and bevel(?). Sorry my termini are not up to par.
I already thinned some at the suggested spot as seen in pic 9. How thin can i go ? Actually below 1mm at the edge ?

Cheers

Blade road describes the shallow beveled area between the flats and the edge bevel.

I’m with Cotedupy on the benefit of thinning that cm or two behind the edge. That is where you’ll realize the greatest gains in performance.

What stone are you using for the heavy work?

(add after reading next post) The only limit is how gently you use it. A zero bevel (blade roads meet in an extremely acute angle) is possible, but if that is white steel — ten degrees a side edge bevel is a sports car blade: extreme cutting at the risk of east chipping or other damage. Fifteen a side gives up some ultimate performance at the gain of a much stronger edge in use.

You can go to very fine (0.1 mm at 2 mm behind edge) on thinness.

 

[tarnschaf]

I use a 220 combi stone from zische https://www.juergens-shop.com/de/Sc...x-25-edelkorund-korn-220-400-abziehstein.html its cheap but it does its job. Why you asking ?

Edit: Forgot i asked why my stone was performing differently ... sorry

 

[aporigine]

I use a 220 combi stone from zische https://www.juergens-shop.com/de/Sc...x-25-edelkorund-korn-220-400-abziehstein.html its cheap but it does its job. Why you asking ?

Curiosity. Doing what you’re doing is a project of multiple hours, so I like to find out what folks choose as the tool for the job.

(edit) I like the price! I imagine you’re using it with water …

 

[tarnschaf]

I am a newbee i took what i already had .... used some sandpaper from the local hardwarestore but this did not work out at all ...
As i have no reference i can not quote on the performance. For me it worked well so far

 

[aporigine]

I am a newbee i took what i already had .... used some sandpaper from the local hardwarestore but this did not work out at all ...
As i have no reference i can not quote on the performance. For me it worked well so far

My remaining bit of advice is to have a way to flatten it periodically. These stones cut well, but they dish (develop concave surfaces). A flat stone is essential for this sort of work.

 

[tarnschaf]

Thanks for the advice, i got SIC and a granite plate. Works fine for me

 

[Skylar303]

My remaining bit of advice is to have a way to flatten it periodically. These stones cut well, but they dish (develop concave surfaces). A flat stone is essential for this sort of work.

Or if in a pinch a smoother piece of sidewalk works.

 

[Skylar303]

I was thinking of picking one of these up or something similar, sub $20. And see how it compares to a Wokshop. So interested to see how it all turns out in the end!

 

[tarnschaf]

Its work and messy ^^ better you got a belt grinder or power tools i guess. But that did not stop me from doing it on a stone ^^ I shall keep you informed @Skylar303.