Carriage Horse Carriage?Can I say: horse carriage horse??
Or is that off label use for this thread?
at least it has rear wheel drive
We were a fair bit behind Sydney here. You may remember the former premier "thanking" regional NSW for our patience while she took our vaccine allocation to Sydney. It would have been nice to have an extra couple of weeks at the other end to catch up from that. No dice.
We are in the beginning of a major outbreak started at a couple of local nightclubs. Multiple local schools are affected and this is necessitating isolation of hospital staff with kids at those schools. Elective surgery has been cancelled. I saw them loading covid hoods (devices which cocoon the bed in plastic and turn it into a mini negative pressure room) into ICU yesterday.
I really worry about the indigenous communities. I have heard from multiple sources that there is a significant amount of vaccine hesitancy in many communities. Many people in those communities are very vulnerable. So much irreplaceable knowledge of country bound up in those very vulnerable elders.
The virus is here to stay. I guess that the evolutionary pressures in the unvaccinated (still a lot of the world) will remain for transmissiblility. In the vaccinated it will be both transmissibility and immunity evasion. Interestingly enough, SARS-COV-2 is already a pretty good immune evader. One of it's genes is an antagonist for interferon, one of the immune system's important messengers for defence against viruses. This may be one reason that it makes some people so sick. Another intereng fact is that Measles (significantly more transmissible than even delta) has not managed to mutate to avoid the immunity provided by vaccination. I have no idea whether this has any relevance for covid.
Can we stop “horse dewormer” nonsense. Ivermectin is approved by FDA for human use. I am not suggesting it should be used to treat COVID, but calling it horse dewormer makes it very hard to take seriously anything else people spilling this nonsense say.
Thus, people are going to livestock feed stores to buy the no-scrip-required horse version and self-medicating on the stuff.
Ah, well, I guess for those people that's a decent point. Seems like some people are actually getting prescriptions, though.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-gop-congressman-prescribes-ivermectin-covid-19-patient
https://www.theledger.com/story/new...rida-doctor-prescribes-drug-covid/8467273002/
On the contrary, my reply was specifically to the poster claiming that his friends in medical field are tired of prescribing "horse dewormer" to people. That they are overwhelmed by threats from their loved ones whom hire lawyers because these medical professionals are refusing to prescribe horse dewormer to them. So I'll repeat my suggestion. If you want people to take you seriously, stop repeating this nonsense.Nobody here is claiming that human dose Ivermectin being taken under prescription for an approved, recognized malady is a problem. Thing is, nobody is prescribing the human version to humans for COVID care. Thus, people are going to livestock feed stores to buy the no-scrip-required horse version and self-medicating on the stuff.
Therefore, calling it "horse dewormer" is ABSOLUTELY appropriate, since it's actually what idiots are taking, completely ineffectually against COVID and carrying a measurable risk to their health in the process.
I'm not amazed by the existance of weirdo's in medicine, yet I DO really wonder what the addition of 'Republican' and 'congressman' has to do with the information someone is prescribing a drug for off label use other than that it is likely adding to polarization?
The issue there, of course, is that there are like 7 asshat doctors prescribing this stuff for a condition it does nothing for, and for which the manufacturer says straight out "do not prescribe it for this." That's already bad, but then there are the literally tens of thousands of people who are buying this stuff in horse format and self dosing. I stand by that calling it horse dewormer doesn't reduce the validity of the discussion at all. It got to the point that feed stores around the states are having to turn away customers for their own good.
On the contrary, my reply was specifically to the poster claiming that his friends in medical field are tired of prescribing "horse dewormer" to people. That they are overwhelmed by threats from their loved ones whom hire lawyers because these medical professionals are refusing to prescribe horse dewormer to them. So I'll repeat my suggestion. If you want people to take you seriously, stop repeating this nonsense.
Ivermectin has a name and approved use in humans, calling it horse dewormer only serves to mislead and antagonize and I don't think we need any more of this crap in COVID discussions there is plenty already. You of course can call it whatever you want.
I suggest you read what I wrote again. I said no such thing.
Here in the US, 91 to 99 percent “depending on the source” of people in the hospital with Covid are the unvaccinated. That makes it pretty clear, to me anyway that the number one goal for every country in the world should be to get people vaccinated. This may seem obvious but here in the states we have so much disinformation being pushed by certain media and Facebook that something has to be done. I have several friends who are either Drs., Nurses or Pharmacists and they are at the end of their ropes. They cannot continue down this road and hope to come out on the other side intact. This is all much too difficult for them after this much time in the trenches. And with the constant threats they’re getting from loved ones who hire lawyers because they won’t give the critically ill horse dewormer is beyond insane.
Can we stop “horse dewormer” nonsense. Ivermectin is approved by FDA for human use. I am not suggesting it should be used to treat COVID
Here in the US, 91 to 99 percent “depending on the source” of people in the hospital with Covid are the unvaccinated. That makes it pretty clear, to me anyway that the number one goal for every country in the world should be to get people vaccinated. This may seem obvious but here in the states we have so much disinformation being pushed by certain media and Facebook that something has to be done. I have several friends who are either Drs., Nurses or Pharmacists and they are at the end of their ropes. They cannot continue down this road and hope to come out on the other side intact. This is all much too difficult for them after this much time in the trenches. And with the constant threats they’re getting from loved ones who hire lawyers because they won’t give the critically illhorsedewormer is beyond insane.
makes it very hard to take seriously anything else people spilling this nonsense say
Your point is lost due to bad presentation and incorrect message.
If I'm calling antivaxers idiots it's not because they make it harder for me to save the world. It's because they make it hard for me to save my family.3. Use counter-productive methods of persuasion, such as calling the vaccine-hesitant "idiots" and implying they're animals.
Let's be honest about why people engage in the third solution and for whose sake. If insulting people makes you feel better, just own up to it instead of pretending you're saving the world.
I’m not sure why being adult is defined by you as being neutral and not pointing out nonsense and bad arguments. This not withstanding, I’ll try to explain what I already wrote in my original comment.
This is becoming absurd. Do we really want to die on the hills of style rather than substance?
If we all agree Ivermectin is an approved human antiparasitic that should not be used to treat COVID... then surely if you removed the word 'horse' you agree with 100% of @gregfisk's original post?
Is that 0.65789% 'style' really worth aggressively disengaging over?
That is not particularly adult. You could neutrally state your objections once and try to seek common ground... which... on face value looks something like 99.34% of what @gregfisk originally said.
Here is my common ground. I 100% agree Ivermectin is approved for human use. I 100% agree there is currently no evidence that supports it being an effective COVID treatment. In the purest sense, I 100% agree, calling Ivermectin a 'horse dewormer' is unproductive. In practice, I only largely agree that has to have a material impact on the conversation.
Back to substance...
How do you feel about medical professionals being pressured by the public to prescribe a human approved drug. A drug for which there is currently no evidence of efficacy for the intended prescription request? And this being done in an environment where the medical system has been under strain for almost two years?
I was chomping at the bit to get involved... despite pulling in the reins, I clearly fell off my high horse...
You insist on things original author hasn't said. Actually author told you that you misunderstood his point. Yet you insist on things that you read somewhere between the lines and come up with your own explanation. So who's factually wrong here?It is nonsense to say that medical professionals are tired from being pressured to prescribe horse dewormer. It is factually not true, since they obviously can’t.
I feel the same way, angry to be surrounded by so many people who put me in danger. I feel similarly whenever I drive on the highway, but most people have become desensitized to that form of collective risk. The question is what behavior should I respond with?If I'm calling antivaxers idiots it's not because they make it harder for me to save the world. It's because they make it hard for me to save my family.
With crowds of unvaccinated people around it's only a question of time when you'll get covid. No matter have many doses of vaccines you already have. Covid quickly mutates when given "food" of unvaccinated crowds.
Here in Russia we had an effective vaccine available to public starting last February or March. Yet the majority of people are still unvaccinated. And I can't distance from all of them. I have to deal with them on a daily basis. And it makes me really angry and agressive towards them. I can't stand when my family is in risk because of those who are too lazy or ignorant to take a shot.
I try to imagine how her experience could mirror others who have been lied to and mistreated by our own medical system
My mother-in-law is also Russian and lives in Moscow. She is educated, very liberal, and politically conscious. She has a somewhat high-profile job in the media, and is neither stupid nor crazy. But she's unvaccinated.
OP said they are being sued over it, and maybe it is true, but I have a hard time believing it since there is no way any lawyer would take this case since clearly they are not breaking any rules.
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