Ivan Hersh
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Anyone using this Kiatayama 8000 stone, and if so what do you think of it.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0031KGP6Y/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0031KGP6Y/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20
Naniwa Chosera line is no longer manufactured.
Are you sure that this is true? My understanding is that Chosera is still sold in JDM (as well as at KnS).
Hmmm… I might be wrong there. The Choseras for sale might be remaining old stock?As far as I know, the Chosera is the Japanese version of the professional stone, and the Chosera is still for sale in Japan.
On the page that you linked, I cannot see where it says that Chosera is no longer manufactured.Yes, I am sure. https://www.naniwa-abrasive.com/product/sharpening_stone/index1.html
It seems they still sell them with that brand name for the Japanese Market Only.
Hmmm… I might be wrong there. The Choseras for sale might be remaining old stock?
Still, the point stands: the Professional is the same thing, except I pay more and get less.
But you can still get them at other places. FWIW, mine came from KnS, albeit a couple of years ago. But I'm pretty sure that KnS still carries themAt the bottom of this page, it shows the Chosera and says "Japanese market only".
Yes, they are available from quite a few places. It's just not clear to me whether it really is a discontinued item, or discontinued only for sale outside Japan.But you can still get them at other places. FWIW, mine came from KnS, albeit a couple of years ago. But I'm pretty sure that KnS still carries them
Yeah, I read all of the complaints about Choseras cracking too. Never had that issue. Not sure if it's because I use them strictly as S&G, because I sealed them or because we have a fairly dry climate here (although I must say some the days this summer reminded me a bit of Brisbane summer humidity [emoji848]- strange weather indeed).Yes, they are available from quite a few places. It's just not clear to me whether it really is a discontinued item, or discontinued only for sale outside Japan.
I heard previously that the Chosera is alive and well in Japan. The link I posted above seems to suggest the same thing. But I can't find a Japanese version of the website that would answer this definitively.
For what it's worth, I had my eye on the Professional 3000 instead of the Chosera because I don't like stones on bases. But, after reading all the complaints about cracks appearing in the Professionals, I bought a Cerax 3000. I'm happy with that one. Works well, and fits smack-bang in between my Cerax 1000 and Rika 5000.
Yeah, I read all of the complaints about Choseras cracking too. Never had that issue. Not sure if it's because I use them strictly as S&G, because I sealed them or because we have a fairly dry climate here (although I must say some the days this summer reminded me a bit of Brisbane summer humidity [emoji848]- strange weather indeed).
Oh, yes. Brisbane weather in December and January sucks. It doesn't matter which year. If it's dry, it sucks because it's too hot. If it isn't dry, it sucks because it's too humid. Can't win
The other ten months of the year it's awesome, though!
Thanks for that info!For what it's worth - in a discussion outside KKF about razor sharpening I was told by an experienced guy that the Naniwa Professional do not behave the same way the Chosera does (Chosera was described as the better stone in comparision, but remember that it was all relative to sharpening a razor, not a kitchen knife). The number of people mentioning Chosera stones developing cracks in spite of them being used only as S&G is considerable - especially the 5k one
Here is what i use it's a great Non Slip Stone holder and is adjustable for length of stones. They are all about the same, so look for the lowest prices my first cost $22 dollars then i found one for $14 dollars.Nothing wrong with a cheap king 1000/6000 combo. the holder is bad though
I have had great luck using my King 1000/6000 Combo, i ordered a King 8000 just to try it not sure i needed it but why not.FWIW King stone are not starter stone. Some VERY skilled sharpeners use them. In my experience I enjoy them more with experience than I did when starting.
The dishing is a feature not a fault. Plus, they are not as slow as some people claim, especially not for kitchen knives...
I have Shaptons (Glass and Pro), Choseras, Bester, Super Stones...and 90% I use a King Deluxe 300 and a King Deluxe 1200. The 800 and 1000 is just as great but different grit. They play very nicely with the Suehiro Rika 5000 too.
I used this Smith Arkansas Med. Stone for around 40+ years before i started reading the forums, it always worked very well as you will notice it's badly worn Dished but it still gets my knives sharp enough.Agreed. I don't even think dishing is as big of a concern as people make it out to be. I hardly ever flatten any of my Stones. If I was sharpening woodworking tools I can understand the need for a flatter staying Stone. there are other Stones I like more than the king 1000 but there is no huge advantage. Most softer steel knives is a great place to stop sharpening and leaves a good Edge.
Please though you should not mention the king 300 at the same time as the 1000. the 800 1000 and 1200 stones are really in the same category along with the four and six thousand. The 300 is a different Beast entirely and should not be put on the same playing field as be a rest of the stones. It's more akin to the King hyper then it is to the clay based stones. it would be like saying that you don't want to use those crummy chosera Stones because you don't like the traditional line for being too soft
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