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I hope someone here is able to help me out here with my new-ish rice cooker.

I used to either boil rice in normal pot (induction hob) when I ate cooked rice, and steam rice in a bamboo steamer using equal weights of water and rice with a little oil and salt in a cup.
The steamed rice I use for frying is a recipe by Samuel Lee (Fried Rice | Recipes | Sum Cuisine | Samuel Lee | Paris), and works really well.
I steam it, put it in a bowl, let it cool down, and then stuff it in the fridge uncovered for 1-2 hours, and I have nicely separated grains which aren't dry or stale.

So fast forward, I finally bought a fancy 6 cup rice cooker after debating for a while; a Cuckoo DHSR0609F.
Cuckoo_CRP-DHSR0609F_1019x.jpg

It has a million buttons and settings and does induction/steaming/pressure cooking, which is all great, but whatever I try, I cannot make rice with it that doesn't stick together like crazy.
On the 'Glutinous Rice' mode, I've tried high heating power, low heating power, turbo mode, keeping it warm for short and long times after boiling, adding water to the line, equal weight rice/water, equal volume rice/water etc.
There are noticeable differences in all these methods, but I can leave it on the counter or in the fridge as long as I want, you can always easily scoop up a lump of 150g of boiled rice with one scoop.
I tried frying it once, it just stays a lump, if I break it up with a spatula or something, and toss the wok, it's stuck together again once it touches.

It comes out like this, which is great as a side for dishes with a sauce:
LRM_20200811_204813.jpg


But I want this for frying:
c30eb752-6935-4ca2-812d-fa8752feba2e-basmatiriceperfect.jpg


The rice I mainly use is decent Thai jasmin rice, from a local asian store.
I also tried basmati, similar outcomes.
Both these types of rice work fine when steaming or boiling in a pot, also with the same washing routine and rice/water ratio as used in the rice cooker.

Is there something obvious I'm missing, or should be doing here? Like using another mode instead of glutinous rice? Or is it just a fact of life with this type of rice cooker?
 
In general, you will want to wash the rice thoroughly, wash the starch completely away (until the water become clear and not milky). After the rice cooker beeping (finish), you will want to mix the rice up evenly then close the lid, unplug the power wait like 5 to 10 min then it should not be so sticky and more.

The rice type of course affect the stickiness a lot. In general some thing like this Glutinous > Sushi Rice > Thai Jasmin > Basmati
 
This thing seems to pressure cook. I’m used to smart but non-pressurizing rice cookers like the Zojirushi Neuro Fuzzy. I would guess that going over 100C maximizes starch formation and hence stickiness. The manual says glutinous is correct for white rice, but in desperation I would try mixed rice and nutri rice cycles, also less water, also check that My Mode is 0/0. Also are you fluffing immediately after it completes the cycle? Worst case, catch and release on BST, get the Zojirushi. 🥺

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https://www.cnn.com/cnn-underscored/reviews/best-rice-cooker
 
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There are a few factors you need to consider

1. If this a pressure cooker, your ratio of water changes completely and is probably 1:1 (or close to it) by volume.

2. Pressure cooking increases the stickiness of rice (usually) as mentioned above. You can either really really rinse your rice or….

3. Go for a longer grain of rice. Try a different grain such as basmati or Thai jasmine and see where you end up
 
go with plain jane texas long grain?

i find leftover rice which is what i use for fried rice pretty loose and crumbly anyways. even with Jasmine.
 
In general, you will want to wash the rice thoroughly, wash the starch completely away (until the water become clear and not milky). After the rice cooker beeping (finish), you will want to mix the rice up evenly then close the lid, unplug the power wait like 5 to 10 min then it should not be so sticky and more.

The rice type of course affect the stickiness a lot. In general some thing like this Glutinous > Sushi Rice > Thai Jasmin > Basmati

I've tried washing it various ways both with and without soaking.
I put the rice in a large bowl, add water, make a claw with my fingers and stir it about 10 times, dump the water, and have repeated this for example 4 times, but also 20 times (yes, I spent 15 minutes washing rice 🙃).
Doesn't make a noticeable difference between 4 or 20 times.
Stirring the rice and then putting it back in for 10 min seems to help, I tried doing this, but the weird thing is, once it's out of the cooker again and on the counter for an hour > sticky again 😞
This thing seems to pressure cook. I’m used to smart but non-pressurizing rice cookers like the Zojirushi Neuro Fuzzy. I would guess that going over 100C maximizes starch formation and hence stickiness. The manual says glutinous is correct for white rice, but in desperation I would try mixed rice and nutri rice cycles, also less water, also check that My Mode is 0/0. Also are you fluffing immediately after it completes the cycle? Worst case, catch and release on BST, get the Zojirushi. 🥺

https://www.cnn.com/cnn-underscored/reviews/best-rice-cooker

Yeah the reviews are quite mixed for these pressure style rice cookers. There are also some which rank it first in their tests.
I also can't figure out if it uses pressure for each program or not, but I hope there is a way to cook without it.
I noticed Zojirushi also has pressure cookers in their high end model line up: Pressure Induction Heating Rice Cooker & Warmer NP-NWC10/18, so I can't imagine they would just change the way it cooks rice drastically without at least including some mode which allows people to get the result they're used to on their older cookers.

I've read the manual about 15 times now I think, to try and understand all the modes, and have tried the My Cook/Mode settings as well. It allows you to set heating power from +3 to -3, but on -3 the grains are undercooked and still pretty hard inside, yet sticky on the outside...
I tried 'Nutritious rice' yesterday, which doesn't show up anywhere in the manual besides saying "Choose this if you want nutritious rice"..., this seems to cook a little drier rice, but still remains sticky after sitting in an open bowl on the counter for an hour.

I actually wanted to get a Zojirushi, but it's hard to find a current top of the line model in the EU without importing myself, or seriously overpaying.
Decided not to import as I didn't want to pay 50% more than the Cuckoo and having a royal pain in case of a warranty issue.

There are a few factors you need to consider

1. If this a pressure cooker, your ratio of water changes completely and is probably 1:1 (or close to it) by volume.

2. Pressure cooking increases the stickiness of rice (usually) as mentioned above. You can either really really rinse your rice or….

3. Go for a longer grain of rice. Try a different grain such as basmati or Thai jasmine and see where you end up

I have tried a ton of water ratios, 1:1 by volume, 1:1 by weight, 1.75 by weight or just filling to the line in the cooker bowl.
As mentioned above, I even tried 20 rinse cycles, still no luck.
I am already using Thai jasmine, and have also tried basmati already.
It must be either the program or the cooker itself :(

go with plain jane texas long grain?

i find leftover rice which is what i use for fried rice pretty loose and crumbly anyways. even with Jasmine.
Hehe, I think Texas long grain is more exotic than you think to find in the EU ;)
 
Considering everything you have tried, I'd blame the cooker. I have a Zojirushi with induction heating, but not the pressure style. It makes absolutely perfect rice each and every time. Personally, I wouldn't know what to do with the pressure feature anyway. If I want pressure, I use my pressure cooker.
 
As said by others, washing the rice thoroughly will reduce its stickiness as well as the type, Bismati is my choice. Water ratios are equally important and can be different for each rice cooker so recheck your manual.
You could also try the pilaf method but then there would be no need to stir fry it later. Good luck in working it out.
 
I've tried washing it various ways both with and without soaking.
I put the rice in a large bowl, add water, make a claw with my fingers and stir it about 10 times, dump the water, and have repeated this for example 4 times, but also 20 times (yes, I spent 15 minutes washing rice 🙃).
Doesn't make a noticeable difference between 4 or 20 times.
Stirring the rice and then putting it back in for 10 min seems to help, I tried doing this, but the weird thing is, once it's out of the cooker again and on the counter for an hour > sticky again 😞


Yeah the reviews are quite mixed for these pressure style rice cookers. There are also some which rank it first in their tests.
I also can't figure out if it uses pressure for each program or not, but I hope there is a way to cook without it.
I noticed Zojirushi also has pressure cookers in their high end model line up: Pressure Induction Heating Rice Cooker & Warmer NP-NWC10/18, so I can't imagine they would just change the way it cooks rice drastically without at least including some mode which allows people to get the result they're used to on their older cookers.

I've read the manual about 15 times now I think, to try and understand all the modes, and have tried the My Cook/Mode settings as well. It allows you to set heating power from +3 to -3, but on -3 the grains are undercooked and still pretty hard inside, yet sticky on the outside...
I tried 'Nutritious rice' yesterday, which doesn't show up anywhere in the manual besides saying "Choose this if you want nutritious rice"..., this seems to cook a little drier rice, but still remains sticky after sitting in an open bowl on the counter for an hour.

I actually wanted to get a Zojirushi, but it's hard to find a current top of the line model in the EU without importing myself, or seriously overpaying.
Decided not to import as I didn't want to pay 50% more than the Cuckoo and having a royal pain in case of a warranty issue.



I have tried a ton of water ratios, 1:1 by volume, 1:1 by weight, 1.75 by weight or just filling to the line in the cooker bowl.
As mentioned above, I even tried 20 rinse cycles, still no luck.
I am already using Thai jasmine, and have also tried basmati already.
It must be either the program or the cooker itself :(


Hehe, I think Texas long grain is more exotic than you think to find in the EU ;)
Try reducing the amount of water you use to cook with, a little at time.
 
Typically the shorter the grain, the stickier it will be. Looks like you have covered all bases and when the rice is prepared correctly, it shouldn't stick. You may have a faulty cooker.
 
Also, maybe this budget model
"Up to a 25% reduction in carbs when using YumCarb function for white and brown rice."

Wow. They found a way to magically disappear the caloric value of food. I recommend buying stock in that company. That's going to be a runaway diet success story!
 
I'm starting to believe it is indeed the cooker, sadly as I really wanted to make it work, even if I had to press 51 buttons to get it right it would be no problem, but I just can't seem to get there...

I see you found just about the only source of Zojirushi cookers in the EU @mengwong, this is exactly what I meant.
They sell a NL-GAQ10 for +- $465, the 110V equivalent is the NL-GAC10, which sells for $246 on Amazon :rolleyes:
Any of the newer models on the Zojirushi website like the NP-NWC10 (induction + pressure) or NP-HCC10 (Induction, no pressure), I can't find any equivalent of at all in the EU (or any other induction heating model).

I sent a message to the EU Cuckoo distributor explaining my problem and asking for a solution.
 
There is no Zojirushi distributor in Australia. I ended up buying mine via eBay from a vendor in Singapore. 240 V, British plug. It's no big deal to replace the plug, or use a plug adapter.
 
Yeah if I were to buy one, I would import it myself as well.

edit: Which model do you have @Michi ?
 
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Just rub it in :p

Nah j/k, I really believe that it makes a huge difference, I read it everywhere.
For this reason I also had no problem spending some more, believing I would get the same epiphany.
 
my friend tells me that AnyDay microwave pot makes awesome steamed rice. for $35, i am almost tempted to test it. i could leave it at the office and have hot fresh rice with my lunches.
 
I have a Zojirushi NP-NVC18, which does use pressure, and it makes the best rice I've ever had. Not sticky.

Even brown rice -- I thought I didn't like brown rice until I tried it out of this rice maker.
 
Sort of, with the addition that the variables change depending on the chosen program and amount of rice/water inside the machine.

The problem isn't the price here, it's that there is nothing but 10 year old or entry models available here in 230V. The one you linked to on Amazon is a 120V model.

When buying through Ebay shipping isn't expensive for these things.
The one you posted costs €343 at Amazon, whilst it's $242 shipped on Ebay, adding the tax and converting to € it would be +- €260, instead of €343.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285218908492
I would be looking at something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204394595518
The problem here is however that there is close to no info available on that specific model on the entire internet :rolleyes:

Running into all the same things again remembers me why I bought the Cuckoo again haha.
 
"Up to a 25% reduction in carbs when using YumCarb function for white and brown rice."

Wow. They found a way to magically disappear the caloric value of food. I recommend buying stock in that company. That's going to be a runaway diet success story!

Fyi, you can do this in your own kitchen too, e.g. by boiling in excess water and draining. Less carbs because you wash the starch away. Apparently that’s what the low carb rice cookers are doing too.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar... principle of the,resulting in low-carb rice.


OP, how about you just make rice in your current cooker and then wash it afterwards? Problem solved! 😀
 
shows postprandial blood glucose changes after test food consumption. Compared with regular rice, average blood glucose levels at each time after eating low-carb rice were low. However, no significant difference could be observed in blood glucose levels among test foods.

Change in hunger, feeling of fullness, and desire to eat after low-carb rice intake were evaluated using the VAS (Figure 5). The VAS test showed no significant difference in hunger, feeling of fullness, and desire to eat for 3 h after consuming of low-carb rice compared to regular rice.




https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2.0/html/tileshop_pmc/tileshop_pmc_inline.html?title=Click on image to zoom&p=PMC3&id=8997980_foods-11-01050-g005.jpg
makes me think that watered down rice is not worth the effort....
 
That is the same one Yum-Asia offers, it's probably fine, but has no induction heating nor pressure cooking.
I don't know if I even need these options, I just consider it too expensive for being a 'basic' model if half of the world can buy a much more advanced version for a few $ more 🤨
 
Sounds like you are doing everything right. I use a zojirushi and it makes 8/10 rice. My donabe makes 10/10 rice but it’s 3 times the work and time.

Yeah that is a rabbit hole I don't want to go down :p

It's already bad enough that I bought this cooker so I wouldn't have to fiddle with steamer baskets anymore, but ended up cooking 40 batches of rice tinkering with all possible variables.
I don't like to waste food, so I also ended up eating 40 batches of rice, some days a cup for lunch, for dinner and the last one before bedtime 😂
 
That is the same one Yum-Asia offers, it's probably fine, but has no induction heating nor pressure cooking.
I don't know if I even need these options, I just consider it too expensive for being a 'basic' model if half of the world can buy a much more advanced version for a few $ more 🤨
Yeah that's why I haven't pulled the trigger. I want the big boy model if I get one with bells and whistles.
 
I hope someone here is able to help me out here with my new-ish rice cooker.

I used to either boil rice in normal pot (induction hob) when I ate cooked rice, and steam rice in a bamboo steamer using equal weights of water and rice with a little oil and salt in a cup.
The steamed rice I use for frying is a recipe by Samuel Lee (Fried Rice | Recipes | Sum Cuisine | Samuel Lee | Paris), and works really well.
I steam it, put it in a bowl, let it cool down, and then stuff it in the fridge uncovered for 1-2 hours, and I have nicely separated grains which aren't dry or stale.

So fast forward, I finally bought a fancy 6 cup rice cooker after debating for a while; a Cuckoo DHSR0609F.
Cuckoo_CRP-DHSR0609F_1019x.jpg

It has a million buttons and settings and does induction/steaming/pressure cooking, which is all great, but whatever I try, I cannot make rice with it that doesn't stick together like crazy.
On the 'Glutinous Rice' mode, I've tried high heating power, low heating power, turbo mode, keeping it warm for short and long times after boiling, adding water to the line, equal weight rice/water, equal volume rice/water etc.
There are noticeable differences in all these methods, but I can leave it on the counter or in the fridge as long as I want, you can always easily scoop up a lump of 150g of boiled rice with one scoop.
I tried frying it once, it just stays a lump, if I break it up with a spatula or something, and toss the wok, it's stuck together again once it touches.

It comes out like this, which is great as a side for dishes with a sauce:
LRM_20200811_204813.jpg


But I want this for frying:
c30eb752-6935-4ca2-812d-fa8752feba2e-basmatiriceperfect.jpg


The rice I mainly use is decent Thai jasmin rice, from a local asian store.
I also tried basmati, similar outcomes.
Both these types of rice work fine when steaming or boiling in a pot, also with the same washing routine and rice/water ratio as used in the rice cooker.

Is there something obvious I'm missing, or should be doing here? Like using another mode instead of glutinous rice? Or is it just a fact of life with this type of rice cooker?
Well, that's the first time I have seen oil in a rice recipe. I have had chefs from India and Nepal who used to pop a small knob of butter - ghee - in when they cooked it. At the moment I have Chinese, Thai and Philippine chefs working with me and they Never put fat of any kind in the rice. They also never put salt in.
I don't understand why you are using a Glutinous - sticky - rice mode if you do not want sticky rice....is there not a white-rice mode?

I bought one of these a couple of years ago.

https://yum-asia.com/uk/product/bamboo-umai-induction-heating-ih-ceramic-rice-cooker/
Works well, not too may bells and whistles. White rice - long grain, sushi rice, pilaf, there is a +umami program I have used once.
 
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