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Hey all always appreciated a good knife and have a block on Henckels, but looking to up my game and get a few good knives to replace the block. But for now hunting for my dad. (Sorry this will get long winded)

My dads parents both met while in Japan after ww2 while serving 2 year lds missions, my dad then served his 2 year mission in Japan in a few northern and Sendai regions. He passed the appreciation for the country and culture on to me and my siblings.

He has done well for himself, but also doesn’t do much for himself. If he want’s something he gets it. Now he is a great chef, but traveled for work and never invested in the kitchen as he was gone 5-6 days of the week. My mom has more interest in kitchen gadgets (mixers, choppers, salad shooters, etc) and china dishes. Post Covid his consulting work let’s him work from home and he cooks a lot more. I’d like to get him a versatile knife to introduce him to the topic and provide him a useful knife and having something with Japanese heritage/origins will make it all the more meaningful.

LOCATION
USA - Midwest


KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in? Santoku, suggestions are welcome.

Are you right or left handed?
Right handed


Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle? Japanese/Wa handle would be fantastic but open to opinions.


What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
Under 8” or roughly 200mm - preferably around the 6”mark


Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
No

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?

Hopefully in the $200-$300 usd range but willing to look up to $500 usd - if the quality and origin warrant the price.


KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?

Home - light entertainment of family and friends


What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)

Breaking down veggies (slicing, mincing, and dicing), slicing cuts of boneless meat, trimming of fat from meats, general kitchen use.


What knife, if any, are you replacing? Cheap stuff all garbage in my opinion N/a

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)

N/a

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
N/a

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

aesthetics are not the most important thing, my dad isn’t flashy


Comfort is important which in gift giving is a trick so open for opinions of what people have found works for themselves and why


Ease of Use and Care - use and care aren’t to big he has always had an eye for details and care of items that require it.


Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
The longer the better

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? All the above

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.) yes

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
Would be interested in updating my wet stone collection

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
Thanks in advance

Currently looking at - Moritaka Ishime Santoku 185mm

Not apposed to buying a full tang/restoration I have mild metal working skills and decent wood working skills.
 
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for a lighter duty santoku I would see if you can track down a Tetsujin blue 2 (the kasumi one not the metal flow, though the latter is an option if you want to spend more).

might also be possible to get a Togashi white 1, those are usually really nice. great handles and slightly beefier grinds makes them one of my favorites.
 
A short gyuto is a bit more versatile than a santoku- the tip is a bit more usable.

Taka a look at Tanaka Ginsan Nashiji. The KnS versions have nice F&F with rounded spine & choil. It's an excellent first knife that is a lot of bang for the buck. A reasonably curved profile copes ok with rock chopping but also with push cuts. Kinda perfect for transitioning from rocking to push cuts. The steel is easy to sharpen for a stainless and has decent edge retention (not to PM steel levels, though). It's at the thinner edge of middleweight and has a decent balance of performance between wedging and food release.
 
Knives and stones is having 15% off right now(EOFY23 is coupon code I believe), a couple great options:

https://knivesandstones.us/collecti...myojin-sg2-gyuto-210mm?variant=42381696237815
https://knivesandstones.us/collecti...ip-gyuto-180-210-240mm?variant=42789095670007
https://knivesandstones.us/collecti...2-bunka-165mm-with-k-s-ebony-octagonal-handle
The tetsujin and myojin are all sharpened by (means they grind the knife from rough blanks) arguably the hottest knife sharpener these days. SG2 is a great all around stainless steel that does everything well, besides being a bit more time consuming to sharpen compared to the carbon stuff. The metal flow at knives and stones with the sale might be cheaper than other retailers non metal flow so you can check that out. The kurosaki is the same steel (r2 and sg2) and something a little different.

Another option, this 210 nakagawa damascus is pretty cool, and is exactly 200mm of cutting edge: Nakagawa Blue 1 Damascus Wide-bevel Gyuto 210/240/270 mm
 
Totally agree with the options @jedy617 listed - Myojin and Yu Kurosaki are great knives with very nice fit and finish, very worthy as gifts. I’d also add a Yoshikane SKD in the 165 - 180mm range to your list. I gave my daughter a Yoshikane 180mm santoku for Christmas in fact.

All of these will need to be sharpened on stones, but it sounds like you’ll be the honors?
 
thanks all, I have asked family closer to home to see which knives he gravitates to as far as length as to use that to help me with deciding, gravitating to the tetsujin - and may still with a santoku unless family states he uses the longer blades more often.
 
When you say you, or maybe in this case your dad, sharpens your/his own knives, how is that accomplished? Stones or some other device?
 
A short gyuto is a bit more versatile than a santoku- the tip is a bit more usable.

Taka a look at Tanaka Ginsan Nashiji. The KnS versions have nice F&F with rounded spine & choil. It's an excellent first knife that is a lot of bang for the buck. A reasonably curved profile copes ok with rock chopping but also with push cuts. Kinda perfect for transitioning from rocking to push cuts. The steel is easy to sharpen for a stainless and has decent edge retention (not to PM steel levels, though). It's at the thinner edge of middleweight and has a decent balance of performance between wedging and food release.

Shigeki is one of my faves! Have always wanted one of his Migaki SS/B#2 in the 210 version.

Here’s my 180mm Tanaka Ginsan Nashiji next to a Yoshihiro Ginsan santoku

IMG_1321.jpeg


The perspective makes it look like the santoku is taller but they are both 49ish

The profiles are nearly identical but the “nose” of the santoku is the main difference.

IMG_1323.jpeg
 
When you say you, or maybe in this case your dad, sharpens your/his own knives, how is that accomplished? Stones or some other device?
I currently have a set of 4 wet stones, 400, 1000, 3000 and 8000, along with a leather strop I have yet to get compound for. I grew up sharpening pockets knives and my parents kitchen knives and have done my set of henkels a few times (unfortunately from their Taiwan or Philippines manufacturers so they have needed the work)

Gone through a cheap set of stones in the past and some diamond edge sharpeners

Tempted to get a set of 2-3 stones dedicated to these knives and will offer to sharpen his for him
 
I currently have a set of 4 wet stones, 400, 1000, 3000 and 8000, along with a leather strop I have yet to get compound for. I grew up sharpening pockets knives and my parents kitchen knives and have done my set of henkels a few times (unfortunately from their Taiwan or Philippines manufacturers so they have needed the work)

Gone through a cheap set of stones in the past and some diamond edge sharpeners

Tempted to get a set of 2-3 stones dedicated to these knives and will offer to sharpen his for him

Excellent! 👍
 
If your North American bases send me a pm I’d be interested to see the knife and get more info.

I have that same knife and it is excellent. Grind is wonderfully executed so that it hints at being lasery yet not at all delicate. One of my most used knives.
 
The Wat Pro comment reminded me of another 180 gytuo I have that is outstanding.

https://www.epicedge.com/shopexd.asp?id=97273&bc=no
This knife could've easily been a one-and-done for me if I wasn't knife obsessed. In fact, it is one of the few knives that routinely gets rotated to the backup strip (or as my wife calls it, the boneyard) and keeps getting pulled back into active rotation. Most knives I put on that strip end up back in their boxes and often on BST here. But not that Akifusa. I even made my own handle for it.

The Aogami Super core steel is excellent and it has a stainless clad for easier maintenance.

I believe if you type in the comments of your order that you're a KKF member, they still give you a 5% discount. :)
 
A Kochi bunka is the first thing that came to mind, unfortunately they're sold out at JKI at the moment but you could reach out to Jon and see when they're expecting a restock. It's the platonic ideal of a bunka in my opinion, nice and tall at the heel with a thin tip and thin behind the edge for excellent cutting feel.

https://www.japaneseknifeimports.co...kochi-180mm-kurouchi-kiritsuke-shaped-santoku
The wat pro 180 above is also a fantastic knife. I find 180 mm to be a really nice sweet spot for home use until you get in to the intoxicating 240 range.
 
Hey all always appreciated a good knife and have a block on Henckels, but looking to up my game and get a few good knives to replace the block. But for now hunting for my dad. (Sorry this will get long winded)

My dads parents both met while in Japan after ww2 while serving 2 year lds missions, my dad then served his 2 year mission in Japan in a few northern and Sendai regions. He passed the appreciation for the country and culture on to me and my siblings.

He has done well for himself, but also doesn’t do much for himself. If he want’s something he gets it. Now he is a great chef, but traveled for work and never invested in the kitchen as he was gone 5-6 days of the week. My mom has more interest in kitchen gadgets (mixers, choppers, salad shooters, etc) and china dishes. Post Covid his consulting work let’s him work from home and he cooks a lot more. I’d like to get him a versatile knife to introduce him to the topic and provide him a useful knife and having something with Japanese heritage/origins will make it all the more meaningful.

LOCATION
USA - Midwest


KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in? Santoku, suggestions are welcome.

Are you right or left handed?
Right handed


Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle? Japanese/Wa handle would be fantastic but open to opinions.


What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
Under 8” or roughly 200mm - preferably around the 6”mark


Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
No

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?

Hopefully in the $200-$300 usd range but willing to look up to $500 usd - if the quality and origin warrant the price.


KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?

Home - light entertainment of family and friends


What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)

Breaking down veggies (slicing, mincing, and dicing), slicing cuts of boneless meat, trimming of fat from meats, general kitchen use.


What knife, if any, are you replacing? Cheap stuff all garbage in my opinion N/a

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)

N/a

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
N/a

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

aesthetics are not the most important thing, my dad isn’t flashy


Comfort is important which in gift giving is a trick so open for opinions of what people have found works for themselves and why


Ease of Use and Care - use and care aren’t to big he has always had an eye for details and care of items that require it.


Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
The longer the better

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? All the above

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.) yes

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
Would be interested in updating my wet stone collection

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
Thanks in advance

Currently looking at - Moritaka Ishime Santoku 185mm

Not apposed to buying a full tang/restoration I have mild metal working skills and decent wood working skills.
Santoku, not flashy but excellent maker, right size. The listing doesn’t mention ferrule material though. Looks like wood.

https://knifewear.com/products/munetoshi-shirogami-migaki-santoku-165mm
 
Thanks all for the info and time, narrowed it to few choices all within a few bucks of each other.

A listed knife referred to me by gshep

https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/...-dammy-w-burnt-oak-handle.65885/#post-1009372
A wat pro new - gsheps looks like it’ll be a fantastic knife so keep eyes peeled. But as a gift looking to go new and can swap a wa myself if needed

And
Most likely a 180mm

https://knivesandstones.us/collecti...myojin-sg2-gyuto-210mm?variant=42381696237815
I’d be happy to hear any other opinions and thanks again. this is my first interaction here and it seems like a fantastic forum and community. Cheers.
 
Myojin is SG2, will have much greater edge retention compared to the others...and is stainless which is really nice for non knife enthusiasts. Very thinly ground. Komorebi is also ground extremely thin behind the edge. Has a beautiful damascus finish, and is also a joy to use. Don't know much about the wats besides they are very highly regarded as well. I think decide whether you want carbon or stainless and then go from there
 
Myojin is SG2, will have much greater edge retention compared to the others...and is stainless which is really nice for non knife enthusiasts. Very thinly ground. Komorebi is also ground extremely thin behind the edge. Has a beautiful damascus finish, and is also a joy to use. Don't know much about the wats besides they are very highly regarded as well. I think decide whether you want carbon or stainless and then go from there
Agree with this - myojin for ease of use & care.

Komorebi for most difficult care, just keep the thing dry and you’ll be alright.

Wat is stainless clad so a bit in the middle.

All amazing gifts and sure to make someone happy, no wrong answers here
 
haha, y’all don’t make this easy, but great place to get info that’s for sure, anyone have a timeline for a wat pro timeline? Order to delivered in US?

The wat pro, myojin, and Hinoura are the three I’m contemplating. The later two most likely based on availability.

I’ve knocked the Komorebi, for the Hinoura, partially on maintenance, but also upon reading up on the line and it’s reputation and it originates from a region my dad has lived for a time.
 
So, do a little research on Wat and you'll find some "controversy" about the maker. Many of us believe it is actually Toyama that makes the knives for him. It is very hard to get a definitive answer out of Shinichi.

In no way does that detract from the quality of the offering. As I said before, they are great knives. Not only do I love my 180 gyuto, but like a TON of others here, I love my Wat Pro 180 nakiri too. I only mention it as people can sometimes be deflated by the idea that the mystique Watanabe builds might not be exactly right. Again, none of us knows for sure and it in no way should deter you from ordering.

The standard procedure is to complete the order "form" on Shinichi's site and then he'll get back to you with a time line. In both my cases I don't think it was more than a couple weeks and sometimes he'll have them in stock. If you choose a handle upgrade (I would at least get the basic D shape) it will add a little to the time even if he has the blade. He ships via DHL and they have always been very fast for me.
 
haha, y’all don’t make this easy, but great place to get info that’s for sure, anyone have a timeline for a wat pro timeline? Order to delivered in US?

The wat pro, myojin, and Hinoura are the three I’m contemplating. The later two most likely based on availability.

I’ve knocked the Komorebi, for the Hinoura, partially on maintenance, but also upon reading up on the line and it’s reputation and it originates from a region my dad has lived for a time.
When I ordered mine (Nakiri October 2021) he had one in stock, shipped out 2 days after my inquiry. The yen fell a lot since then which I think picked up demand, so no idea what timeline is now, but shouldn’t be that long I’d bet.
 

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