Sabatier Info

[Calvinlicious]

Looking for info on this Sabatier K. Absolutely beautiful 9". The guy I got it from said it was from the 1880's. I had scepticism due the how great condition the knife is. The steel feels super hard, maybe a mess up during heat treatment?

 

[McMan]

Definitely not 1880s.
The blade says "Made in France". in the US, "Made in [country of origin]" formulation began in 1914. Before that, starting officially in 1891, only the country of origin had to be listed, which is why some older sabs say "France" not "Made in France".
The grapes logo is "Sabatier Jeune".
@Benuser is fluent in the Sab trademark database and can probably give you a tighter window of time.

Here's a clearer image of what the stamps would look like:

The handle is nifty! I don't know if it's some special original version or a re-handle. The knife also doesn't have a bolster. Sabatiers without the bolsters ("office knives" or "plat semelle") were mostly for the French market. But obviously not this one--because of the "Made in France". My thinking would be 50s, maybe a tad earlier or a tad later.

From the picture you attached, it doesn't look like the tang is tapered. Is this right? Can you add a picture of the tang?

 

[fortheloveofmoar]

The knowledge bombs

 

[Calvinlicious]

The picture you attached, it doesn't look like the tang is tapered. Is this right? Can you add a picture of the tang?

 

[McMan]

Interesting that there isn't a tapered tang. I haven't seen enough plat semelle to know if that's common or not.
But here's one without a tapered tang:
https://www.sabatier-shop.com/7-in-chef-knife-plate-semelle-carbon-1.html
And here's one with a nicely tapered tang.

Is there any indication of the tang being welded on? I can't tell from the pic. One possibility could be that the original tang broke at the blade and a new tang was fitted and then a new handle, which would explain why the handle isn't a normal one.

Regardless of the history, use it and enjoy!
Or, throw it on ebay for $200 and then go to dinner!

 

[Calvinlicious]

Regardless of the history, use it and enjoy!
Or, throw it on ebay for $200 and then go to dinner!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1160753447...gnxwir9rxy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I collect Sabatier's. Ill be restoring it, I can't wait to thin it. Only other one I've seen. He's had it listed for over a year.

 

[McMan]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1160753447...gnxwir9rxy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I collect Sabatier's. Ill be restoring it, I can't wait to thin it. Only other one I've seen. He's had it listed for over a year.

Probably not a repair then. Looks like the factory was getting creative for whatever reason.
Geez--if that guy's $600+ is the market, that's amazing.

 

[Calvinlicious]

Yeah I check everyday on various sites. I've only ever seen his. I got this one for $100

 

[aporigine]

Only way I’d pay 600+ for a Sab is if it has an obvious hamon.

 

[deltaplex]

Probably not a repair then. Looks like the factory was getting creative for whatever reason.
Geez--if that guy's $600+ is the market, that's amazing.

That seller (who sells under several names) is rather notorious for listing "refurbished" vintage kitchen knives for prices well (WELL) above the market rate.

 

[cotedupy]

I’d ping K Sab an email and ask them…

 

[Calvinlicious]

Great idea.

I’d ping K Sab an email and ask them…

That's a great idea.

 

[cotedupy]

Great idea.

That's a great idea.

(Very cool knife btw! Great find ).

 

[Benuser]

Definitely not 1880s.
The blade says "Made in France". in the US, "Made in [country of origin]" formulation began in 1914. Before that, starting officially in 1891, only the country of origin had to be listed, which is why some older sabs say "France" not "Made in France".
The grapes logo is "Sabatier Jeune".
@Benuser is fluent in the Sab trademark database and can probably give you a tighter window of time.

Here's a clearer image of what the stamps would look like:
View attachment 343079

The handle is nifty! I don't know if it's some special original version or a re-handle. The knife also doesn't have a bolster. Sabatiers without the bolsters ("office knives" or "plat semelle") were mostly for the French market. But obviously not this one--because of the "Made in France". My thinking would be 50s, maybe a tad earlier or a tad later.

From the picture you attached, it doesn't look like the tang is tapered. Is this right? Can you add a picture of the tang?

The latest Sabatier Jeune K registration is from 1964. Is different from K-Sabatier. Never seen a metal butt with a Sab before. Probably for export, as the home public favours a forward balance, used as it is to the Nogent construction. Even then, quite a heavy but simple constructed handle. Would be surprised if it were from before the sixties.

 

[M1k3]

Probably not a repair then. Looks like the factory was getting creative for whatever reason.
Geez--if that guy's $600+ is the market, that's amazing.

"Brick wall knife seller" has always had somewhat high prices. Looks like he's stepping up the pricing.

 

[Ericfg]

"Brick wall knife seller" has always had somewhat high prices.

Oh, it's that guy. I know exactly who we're talking about now.

 

[Heckel7302]

Screw the brick wall guy. I’ve even written to him a few times because the prices were so outrageous.

 

[stringer]

Screw the brick wall guy. I’ve even written to him a few times because the prices were so outrageous.

I gotta play devil's advocate here.

The prices really aren't too bad all things considered. Everything they sell is either NOS or completely refurbished. And usually not available anywhere else for any price in that condition on any regular basis. I have bought several knives from them and the prices are in line with what I would pay for a similar condition item at an antique store. Or if I tried to bid on auction for similar condition items and actually hoped to have a chance to win. But brick wall person has a big selection all the time of most of the best American and European vintage stuff out there. I know if I need something in particular in good condition I can get it quick and easy. Don't get me wrong. I have bought probably a dozen Forgecraft 10" gyutos. Most of them I paid $25-35 for ones in sh-t condition and took the time to refurbish them myself. It cost time, money, abrasives, materials, etc. Not to mention the time spent hunting on eBay bidding and losing on dozens of auctions to try and chase the same deals as a thousand other collectors. But when I needed two more Forgies so that I could have one for each of my two brothers and each of my four brothers in law then I knew I could turn to old brick wall to have a pair that wouldn't require any time or effort.

When I needed one particular slicer and paring knife to complete a 7 piece Sabatier set that I put together for one of my wife's friend's 40th, brick wall person had them.

Like with most things in life, there is a convenience tax if you want to be lazy and go for the quick, sure thing.

What really pisses ME off is that I am probably losing to brick wall person all the time on auctions of broken stuff.

 

[deltaplex]

What really pisses ME off is that I am probably losing to brick wall person all the time on auctions of broken stuff.

The real players set the market top to bottom.

 

[Heckel7302]

I gotta play devil's advocate here.

The prices really aren't too bad all things considered. Everything they sell is either NOS or completely refurbished. And usually not available anywhere else for any price in that condition on any regular basis. I have bought several knives from them and the prices are in line with what I would pay for a similar condition item at an antique store. Or if I tried to bid on auction for similar condition items and actually hoped to have a chance to win. But brick wall person has a big selection all the time of most of the best American and European vintage stuff out there. I know if I need something in particular in good condition I can get it quick and easy. Don't get me wrong. I have bought probably a dozen Forgecraft 10" gyutos. Most of them I paid $25-35 for ones in sh-t condition and took the time to refurbish them myself. It cost time, money, abrasives, materials, etc. Not to mention the time spent hunting on eBay bidding and losing on dozens of auctions to try and chase the same deals as a thousand other collectors. But when I needed two more Forgies so that I could have one for each of my two brothers and each of my four brothers in law then I knew I could turn to old brick wall to have a pair that wouldn't require any time or effort.

When I needed one particular slicer and paring knife to complete a 7 piece Sabatier set that I put together for one of my wife's friend's 40th, brick wall person had them.

Like with most things in life, there is a convenience tax if you want to be lazy and go for the quick, sure thing.

What really pisses ME off is that I am probably losing to brick wall person all the time on auctions of broken stuff.

Here’s a good one. I get that it’s a very early example of a Case XX, but it’s still a Case XX. $1,150? JFC

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1142381061...kVKtBNdQ_m&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

[deltaplex]

Here’s a good one. I get that it’s a very early example of a Case XX, but it’s still a Case XX. $1,150? JFC

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1142381061...kVKtBNdQ_m&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

My local thrift is sitting on a gold mine!:

 

[Noodle Soup]

Here’s a good one. I get that it’s a very early example of a Case XX, but it’s still a Case XX. $1,150? JFC

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1142381061...kVKtBNdQ_m&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

he is obviously free to ask what ever he wants but the question is does he ever sell at these prices. I have also watched particular knives sit there for more than one year. Not exactly an auction.