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A set getting nicer by the day as I continue to buy your old knives!
inzite
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finally got home hehe...
brought these 3 kurouchi beauties back! by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr
Mic drop
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nah you guys have crazy collections here!
valgard
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What Tanner said. All three are right up my alley.
I know that makes you very happy but it makes me very sad. Great family photo!
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finally got home hehe...
Ugh... soooo jealous of that KU Kato. Nice find!
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Masashi Kobo SLD 240mm Gyuto
Nice! I've definitely got to try one of these some day
Dear Forumists,
after asking you for advice, over analyzing and angsting, I finally decided on the CCK models, and last week they arrived. So, here are some photos and measurements of the cleavers, and also added my old cleaver for comparison.
I have not used them very much yet, but will so very soon. The 1912 is not very sharp. I tried sharpening it with my Spyderco Sharpmaker with an 15° angle, but without much success. Should I try 20° instead you think, or rather thinning it out? It seems to be thicker behind the edge than its sister 1303.
The whole bouquet.
Another shot.
Unpacked. From uppermost left, reading like a book: KF1102, 1402, 1303, 1303, 1912, 1912
KF1303a
KF1303a profile
KF1303a blade front
KF1303a measurements
Weight 266,2
Length 310,00
Blade length 210,00
Blade height, bolster 86,10
Blade height, middle/max 90,75
Blade height, tip 89,45
g/cm² ratio 1,43
Spine thickness, bolster 2,50
Spine thickness, middle 1,70
Spine thickness, tip 1,10
KF1303b
KF1303b profile
KF1303b blade front
KF1303b measurements
Weight 253,3
Length 310,00
Blade length 210,00
Blade height, bolster 86,05
Blade height, middle/max 90,90
Blade height, tip 89,60
g/cm² ratio 1,36
Spine thickness, bolster 2,80
Spine thickness, middle 1,85
Spine thickness, tip 1,10
KF1912a
KF1912a profile
KF1912 blade front
KF1912a tip profile
KF1912a measurements
Weight 274,3
Length 305,00
Blade length 203,00
Blade height, bolster 90,70
Blade height, middle/max 93,10
Blade height, tip 91,90
g/cm² ratio 1,47
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,55
Spine thickness, tip 1,35
Blade thickness, middle height of tip side 1,55
KF1912b
KF1912b profile
KF1912 blade front
KF1912b tip profile
KF1912b measurements
Weight 269,9
Length 305,00
Blade length 203,00
Blade height, bolster 90,00
Blade height, middle/max 93,15
Blade height, tip 90,55
g/cm² ratio 1,45
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,60
Spine thickness, tip 1,40
Blade thickness, middle height of tip side 1,45
KF1102
KF1102 profile
KF1102 blade front
KF1102
Weight 417,7
Length 333,00
Blade length 231,00
Blade height, bolster 111,70
Blade height, middle/max 120,20
Blade height, tip 118,60
g/cm² ratio 1,56
Spine thickness, bolster 2,85
Spine thickness, middle 1,85
Spine thickness, tip 0,90
KF1402
KF1402 profile
KF1402 blade front
KF1402 measurements
Weight 459,1
Length 278,00
Blade length 174,00
Blade height, bolster 85,40
Blade height, middle/max 109,90
Blade height, tip 109,35
g/cm² ratio 2,70
Spine thickness, bolster 5,70
Spine thickness, middle 5,35
Spine thickness, tip 3,50
SmartWife Nº2
SmartWife Nº2 profile
SmartWife Nº2 blade front
Smart Wife Nº 2 measurements
Weight 305,2
Length 318,00
Blade length 204,00
Blade height, bolster 91,65
Blade height, middle/max 92,70
Blade height, tip 89,00
g/cm² ratio 1,62
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,95
Spine thickness, tip 1,90
after asking you for advice, over analyzing and angsting, I finally decided on the CCK models, and last week they arrived. So, here are some photos and measurements of the cleavers, and also added my old cleaver for comparison.
I have not used them very much yet, but will so very soon. The 1912 is not very sharp. I tried sharpening it with my Spyderco Sharpmaker with an 15° angle, but without much success. Should I try 20° instead you think, or rather thinning it out? It seems to be thicker behind the edge than its sister 1303.
The whole bouquet.
Another shot.
Unpacked. From uppermost left, reading like a book: KF1102, 1402, 1303, 1303, 1912, 1912
KF1303a
KF1303a profile
KF1303a blade front
KF1303a measurements
Weight 266,2
Length 310,00
Blade length 210,00
Blade height, bolster 86,10
Blade height, middle/max 90,75
Blade height, tip 89,45
g/cm² ratio 1,43
Spine thickness, bolster 2,50
Spine thickness, middle 1,70
Spine thickness, tip 1,10
KF1303b
KF1303b profile
KF1303b blade front
KF1303b measurements
Weight 253,3
Length 310,00
Blade length 210,00
Blade height, bolster 86,05
Blade height, middle/max 90,90
Blade height, tip 89,60
g/cm² ratio 1,36
Spine thickness, bolster 2,80
Spine thickness, middle 1,85
Spine thickness, tip 1,10
KF1912a
KF1912a profile
KF1912 blade front
KF1912a tip profile
KF1912a measurements
Weight 274,3
Length 305,00
Blade length 203,00
Blade height, bolster 90,70
Blade height, middle/max 93,10
Blade height, tip 91,90
g/cm² ratio 1,47
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,55
Spine thickness, tip 1,35
Blade thickness, middle height of tip side 1,55
KF1912b
KF1912b profile
KF1912 blade front
KF1912b tip profile
KF1912b measurements
Weight 269,9
Length 305,00
Blade length 203,00
Blade height, bolster 90,00
Blade height, middle/max 93,15
Blade height, tip 90,55
g/cm² ratio 1,45
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,60
Spine thickness, tip 1,40
Blade thickness, middle height of tip side 1,45
KF1102
KF1102 profile
KF1102 blade front
KF1102
Weight 417,7
Length 333,00
Blade length 231,00
Blade height, bolster 111,70
Blade height, middle/max 120,20
Blade height, tip 118,60
g/cm² ratio 1,56
Spine thickness, bolster 2,85
Spine thickness, middle 1,85
Spine thickness, tip 0,90
KF1402
KF1402 profile
KF1402 blade front
KF1402 measurements
Weight 459,1
Length 278,00
Blade length 174,00
Blade height, bolster 85,40
Blade height, middle/max 109,90
Blade height, tip 109,35
g/cm² ratio 2,70
Spine thickness, bolster 5,70
Spine thickness, middle 5,35
Spine thickness, tip 3,50
SmartWife Nº2
SmartWife Nº2 profile
SmartWife Nº2 blade front
Smart Wife Nº 2 measurements
Weight 305,2
Length 318,00
Blade length 204,00
Blade height, bolster 91,65
Blade height, middle/max 92,70
Blade height, tip 89,00
g/cm² ratio 1,62
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,95
Spine thickness, tip 1,90
Nice set indeed! I'm curious, is there any specific use for the KF1402 vs the other cleavers? It's not only shorter lengthwise but much heavier than the others.
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family photo updated with the new additions for comparison.
upload by Ricky Cheong Photography, on Flickr
upload by Ricky Cheong Photography, on FlickrWell yes, the 1303 or the 1102 are far too thin to chop through even chicken bones and the like. It is often said that the chinese use only one knife for all purposes (and in this case it would be a cleaver with a thickness between the 1303 and the 1402), but truth is that manyespecially those more actively interested in food and knivesuse two instead, namely the very thin (1303) and a medium heavy chopper (1402).
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You probably made the right decision with the wood handled 1402. When your search started it inspired me to order the all metal handled version of that knife from Chefs Mall. While it chops chicken bone just fine the metal handle is extremely slippery once you get a little fat on it.
You ordered the steel or iron handle? Would love to hear more about your experiences with it. How do you sharpen it? Probably not so very steep? Which size? Photos?
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1443 No. 2, which Chefs Mall calls the small size. All stainless handle. I really haven't sharpened it yet but when I sharpen a cleaver I tend to do a lot of chicken bone chopping with I do it at a relatively steep angle. Maybe 25 degrees. like I mentioned, I haven't had any edge problems chopping chicken bones but that handle sure is slippery.
Nice to hear. Right now, I am a bit intimidated by its size, so I mostly go for the 1303. Maybe, however, this will change over time.
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family photo updated with the new additions for comparison.
That's a very happy family Inzite. I can't say I'm not jealous of the Kato KU. If any time you decide to move it on, I'm waiting on the other end of the line
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Masashi Kobo SLD 240mm Gyuto
Actually I've never come to think of it, I've never seen one of these beasts in action. Would love to see a quick video of it being used if you have the time
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That's a very happy family Inzite. I can't say I'm not jealous of the Kato KU. If any time you decide to move it on, I'm waiting on the other end of the line
haha the ku kato is likely gonna be a drawer queen for now haha, the denkas i'm really liking!
ynot1985
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Please tell me you have at least cut something with it??
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Thanks Kamelion - you have put together a fantastic summary together here and I am very appreciative of the time and effort you put into it!
You have inspired me to look into getting a Chinese cleaver/blade! And your detailed summary helps quite a bit!
Tom
You have inspired me to look into getting a Chinese cleaver/blade! And your detailed summary helps quite a bit!
Tom
Dear Forumists,
after asking you for advice, over analyzing and angsting, I finally decided on the CCK models, and last week they arrived. So, here are some photos and measurements of the cleavers, and also added my old cleaver for comparison.
I have not used them very much yet, but will so very soon. The 1912 is not very sharp. I tried sharpening it with my Spyderco Sharpmaker with an 15° angle, but without much success. Should I try 20° instead you think, or rather thinning it out? It seems to be thicker behind the edge than its sister 1303.
The whole bouquet.
Another shot.
Unpacked. From uppermost left, reading like a book: KF1102, 1402, 1303, 1303, 1912, 1912
KF1303a
KF1303a profile
KF1303a blade front
KF1303a measurements
Weight 266,2
Length 310,00
Blade length 210,00
Blade height, bolster 86,10
Blade height, middle/max 90,75
Blade height, tip 89,45
g/cm² ratio 1,43
Spine thickness, bolster 2,50
Spine thickness, middle 1,70
Spine thickness, tip 1,10
KF1303b
KF1303b profile
KF1303b blade front
KF1303b measurements
Weight 253,3
Length 310,00
Blade length 210,00
Blade height, bolster 86,05
Blade height, middle/max 90,90
Blade height, tip 89,60
g/cm² ratio 1,36
Spine thickness, bolster 2,80
Spine thickness, middle 1,85
Spine thickness, tip 1,10
KF1912a
KF1912a profile
KF1912 blade front
KF1912a tip profile
KF1912a measurements
Weight 274,3
Length 305,00
Blade length 203,00
Blade height, bolster 90,70
Blade height, middle/max 93,10
Blade height, tip 91,90
g/cm² ratio 1,47
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,55
Spine thickness, tip 1,35
Blade thickness, middle height of tip side 1,55
KF1912b
KF1912b profile
KF1912 blade front
KF1912b tip profile
KF1912b measurements
Weight 269,9
Length 305,00
Blade length 203,00
Blade height, bolster 90,00
Blade height, middle/max 93,15
Blade height, tip 90,55
g/cm² ratio 1,45
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,60
Spine thickness, tip 1,40
Blade thickness, middle height of tip side 1,45
KF1102
KF1102 profile
KF1102 blade front
KF1102
Weight 417,7
Length 333,00
Blade length 231,00
Blade height, bolster 111,70
Blade height, middle/max 120,20
Blade height, tip 118,60
g/cm² ratio 1,56
Spine thickness, bolster 2,85
Spine thickness, middle 1,85
Spine thickness, tip 0,90
KF1402
KF1402 profile
KF1402 blade front
KF1402 measurements
Weight 459,1
Length 278,00
Blade length 174,00
Blade height, bolster 85,40
Blade height, middle/max 109,90
Blade height, tip 109,35
g/cm² ratio 2,70
Spine thickness, bolster 5,70
Spine thickness, middle 5,35
Spine thickness, tip 3,50
SmartWife Nº2
SmartWife Nº2 profile
SmartWife Nº2 blade front
Smart Wife Nº 2 measurements
Weight 305,2
Length 318,00
Blade length 204,00
Blade height, bolster 91,65
Blade height, middle/max 92,70
Blade height, tip 89,00
g/cm² ratio 1,62
Spine thickness, bolster 1,95
Spine thickness, middle 1,95
Spine thickness, tip 1,90
+1! Someone take a video of their Masashi in action!
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Smart Wife No.2.
Love the name.
Love the name.
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Good morning all,
It has been an amazing few weeks as I anxiously awaited the deliveries of 2 new knives I had purchased from CKTG. Both of these items were Honyaki blades and items that Mark was kind enough to send directly to my handle maker of choice after purchase. Therefore, having never actually seen the blades in person I had to rely on my handle artisan, Matt Delosso, to insure the blade handles would be balanced and visually appropriate. Matt was the genius who created the art work handle previously for my Kato Damascus so Matt was my first choice for handling these two amazing blades. The combination of Art, Form and Function that Matt brings to the table, with all of his designs, absolutely resonates with my sense of style. His customer service is first rate as it takes time to meld the concepts of the craftsman with the desires of the customer. However, Matt does all the above in spades with the results being even more than I could ask for. Unfortunately, Pictures cannot possibly do these blades justice.. They are actually more stunning in person.
The first blade was a great surprise knife the Mark put up for sale. It was advertised as a Konosuke 300 Fuguhiki Honyaki W-2 . In tracing back the smith's Kanji, located on the now hidden tang, It turns out that although this amazing blade is a Konosuke it was smithed by the famous Genkai Masakuni. The visual Hamon pattern is the Mount Fuji style making this not only a stunning blade but a collectors piece as well. Regardless of the craftsman responsible, making this a highly collectable knife, I can assure you all, this knife is going to be well used as it applies to my Sushi/Sashimi parties I put on. So here are a few pictures of this beauty. As a note, both the blades are super highly polished so getting the Hamon lines to pop is rather difficult but in person they are stunning.
The Second blade is a Visual and function stunner.. A 330 Sukenari Honyaki Sujihiki from W-1. Though I knew exactly what I wanted for the main section of the handle, Matt was kind enough to really try out various materials for the butt and ferule sections.. Though neither of us are afraid to use some wild designs to add some bling to the handle, we ended up exactly where I envisioned the design. To say this knife came out magnificently would be to demean Matt's work.. The balance is spot on the pinch. The craftsmanship is exquisite. The visual is stunning. It is simply perfection.
Thank you for all that you did for me Matt.
Jamie
It has been an amazing few weeks as I anxiously awaited the deliveries of 2 new knives I had purchased from CKTG. Both of these items were Honyaki blades and items that Mark was kind enough to send directly to my handle maker of choice after purchase. Therefore, having never actually seen the blades in person I had to rely on my handle artisan, Matt Delosso, to insure the blade handles would be balanced and visually appropriate. Matt was the genius who created the art work handle previously for my Kato Damascus so Matt was my first choice for handling these two amazing blades. The combination of Art, Form and Function that Matt brings to the table, with all of his designs, absolutely resonates with my sense of style. His customer service is first rate as it takes time to meld the concepts of the craftsman with the desires of the customer. However, Matt does all the above in spades with the results being even more than I could ask for. Unfortunately, Pictures cannot possibly do these blades justice.. They are actually more stunning in person.
The first blade was a great surprise knife the Mark put up for sale. It was advertised as a Konosuke 300 Fuguhiki Honyaki W-2 . In tracing back the smith's Kanji, located on the now hidden tang, It turns out that although this amazing blade is a Konosuke it was smithed by the famous Genkai Masakuni. The visual Hamon pattern is the Mount Fuji style making this not only a stunning blade but a collectors piece as well. Regardless of the craftsman responsible, making this a highly collectable knife, I can assure you all, this knife is going to be well used as it applies to my Sushi/Sashimi parties I put on. So here are a few pictures of this beauty. As a note, both the blades are super highly polished so getting the Hamon lines to pop is rather difficult but in person they are stunning.
The Second blade is a Visual and function stunner.. A 330 Sukenari Honyaki Sujihiki from W-1. Though I knew exactly what I wanted for the main section of the handle, Matt was kind enough to really try out various materials for the butt and ferule sections.. Though neither of us are afraid to use some wild designs to add some bling to the handle, we ended up exactly where I envisioned the design. To say this knife came out magnificently would be to demean Matt's work.. The balance is spot on the pinch. The craftsmanship is exquisite. The visual is stunning. It is simply perfection.
Thank you for all that you did for me Matt.
Jamie
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Love the handle on that Sukenari! A sweet combo on an already sexy knife. Congrats on the unexpected score wth that Kono too.
