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people that put their nose up at honing rods is cause they suck at using one.

This one deserves thought. Are you saying that about Euro-knives, in which case I would entirely agree with you, having found a lot of uses for the polished F. Dick steel? Or are you saying it about blue steel/white steel/R2 Japanese knives, in which case I would be forced to admit that there is a frontier I have left unexplored?
 
This one deserves thought. Are you saying that about Euro-knives, in which case I would entirely agree with you, having found a lot of uses for the polished F. Dick steel? Or are you saying it about blue steel/white steel/R2 Japanese knives, in which case I would be forced to admit that there is a frontier I have left unexplored?
mac black ceramic works well even for high hrc steel if used properly.
 
mac black ceramic works well even for high hrc steel if used properly.
I agree, you can use them. It's kind of the same as stropping on a ceramic stone, just a different shape. I used an idahone for a long time that i still have. I once slightly nicked a heel on a kono ginsan, because i wasn't totally paying attention, user error. Other than that, never had any issues, it works great for quick touchups. But i do think alot of people are referring to classic european style grooved "steels" rods. Those i won't put anywhere near my nice knives.
 
You can all call me Carrrrrrrrrrlotta!
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Can't believe this thread has over 1400 posts in just over a month...

Here's mine: most hipster knife makers have no idea about good ergonomics.
e.g. a needlessly long "wa" handle on a chinese cleaver, shows no understanding about how a wa handle works, proper knife skills, or how a Chinese Cleaver works.
 
Also, some people should never touch a good knife.

e.g. The day I received my commissioned Joe Calton Chinese cleaver, my dad hacked two crabs to death with it...making numerous large chips into 4 mm f the blade. My dad also routinely uses good knives to cut directly on plates. He has also drawn blood using a paring knife backwards.

e.g.2 Idiots that over rely on dishwashers,
 

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