i have read a lot about all kinds of psychedelics over the last months (and years), and seen lots of vids on the subject. there was one i saw a few days ago with a panel of psychiatrists and researchers. very good vid. i'll post it under here.
*the thing with psychedelics is that they can provide 15 years of therapy in one session.
*some people can get mental disorders from them, and this usually happens to young people 15-20 years old, when these mental disorders usually shows up anyway. and when they take massive doses (more or less OD)
*many people regard them as preventive medicine too. like changing the oil in engine before it blows up.
*one doesn't have to take the max dose the first time. and only an idiot would do that. (and this is why people get mental disorders). maybe try a small amount and work your way up. its not very hard to find out what a small/regular/very strong/ego death dose of something is.
*its not something to be afraid of, but you need to have respect. its not exactly candy. really potent weed can be just as psychologically heavy and scary or much worse.
here are some vids i found interesting. second is that panel talk, it starts in about 10min in.
third vid is an interview with a guy that has a tv show, he has a good perspective on things.
I think I'll stick to natural stones.
Thanks for the links! I put the first two on in the background. Michael Pollan has a foreword at the beginning of the second video, before the discussion panel. There is a whole heap of his stuff on youtube. I enjoyed the discussion.
My interest in it is from the cognitive psychology angle. I do find the cross over with spirituality interesting from an anthropology point of view as well.
I suppose since you have expressed interest in the experience, do you have an outcome you are seeking? Or is it purely about the experience?
i think the common outcome is that you get enlightened about whats important and whats not in your life.
from what i have read almost all psychedelics will give you a very profound and spiritual experience.
there are some questions i have that i feel i deserve to get answered.
the hard questions...
What is the meaning of life? What's it all about?
Why are we here?
What are we here for?
What is the nature of life?
What is the nature of reality?
What is the purpose of life? What is the purpose of one's life?
What is meaningful and valuable in life?
What is the reason to live? What are we living for?
yeah i just copied those from Meaning of life - Wikipedia but you get the point.
enlightened about whats important and whats not in your life
What is meaningful and valuable in life?
Although I had always assumed that symthetics were the gateway"the gateway drug"!! it will lead to fininacial ruin in a very short time
i think the common outcome is that you get enlightened about whats important and whats not in your life.
from what i have read almost all psychedelics will give you a very profound and spiritual experience.
there are some questions i have that i feel i deserve to get answered.
the hard questions...
What is the meaning of life? What's it all about?
Why are we here?
What are we here for?
What is the nature of life?
What is the nature of reality?
What is the purpose of life? What is the purpose of one's life?
What is meaningful and valuable in life?
What is the reason to live? What are we living for?
yeah i just copied those from Meaning of life - Wikipedia but you get the point.
Good luck getting answers to those questions with psychedelics.
Speaking of religion and philosophy. I'll be mildly provocative and assert that "What is the meaning of life?" is a pointless question
From a purely materialistic perspective I would agree although perhaps with some qualifiers. For the believers in a truly existent self that extends over more-or-less linear infinite time (very roughly the view of the Abrahamic religions) or for those who believe in a rather more cyclic view of time coupled with much more varied notions of the nature or existence of self (big umbrella here for the major South and East Asian religions) the meaning of life or perhaps the more fundamental nature of existence/reality gains some importance.
if one travels to amsterdam for example where everyone is high all the time and the whole place smells like weed you would understand that this is much more preferable than drunk people by a factor of 1000 or so. if i go out on a friday/saturday here its all just drunk, loud, yelling people wanting to fight. knives, rapes, you name it. if anything decreases IQ its alcohol.
I suppose since you have expressed interest in the experience, do you have an outcome you are seeking? Or is it purely about the experience?
I'm sure you know that this is a blatant exaggeration, I don;t think it helps this conversation in any way.
What is the meaning of life? What's it all about?
Why are we here?
What are we here for?
What is the purpose of life? What is the purpose of one's life?
What is the nature of life?
What is the nature of reality?
What is meaningful and valuable in life?
What is the reason to live? What are we living for?
The real interesting question is what the question was!
i dont really think one needs to have some disease or problems or similar to take these things, and that they will magically cure you.
why not just take them and see what happens, and see where it takes you? whats wrong with that?
the whole world has gone ****ing crazy
Hehe... sorry if I sounded judgemental. Of course you dont need a reason. I just thought you wouldn't be doing it totally arbitrarily either! I was curious
Yeah... ... Its easy to throw hyperbole in there like "end of days"... It isnt... but things do look pretty systemically broken.
(Personally I am very, very intrigued at the concept of ego death/dissolution and what seeing your sense of identity being stripped away might be like.)
Good luck getting answers to those questions with psychedelics. While I know quite a number of people who had "wow!" experiences on drugs or who found insights that seemed profound in the moment I've never met anyone who grew what I would call wise through the use of drugs. I think you are in realm of religion and, to a lesser extent, philosophy.
But there are some upsides to the same feeling, namely that your time on Earth is a finite commodity: It's valuable, worth investing in and spending wisely.Every report I have read on the experience of ego death emphasizes the very 'real' sensation of death. Meaning that your life, your connection to your family & your loved ones, your hopes, dreams, and ambitions are all fading away and not coming back.
It's really fun!I'd like to hear more about making knives on acid though hahaha!! @Kippington
Doing knives on LSD? Man I'm so afraid you are going to cut yourself, you know...
Geez, post this on a fasting day to really rub it in, why doncha!What is the reason to live? What are we living for? Dinner!
But there are some upsides to the same feeling, namely that your time on Earth is a finite commodity: It's valuable, worth investing in and spending wisely.
I've been on a few acid trips with my brother. He had a horrendous ego death... from his point of view, but it was entertaining for me!
We were sitting on a park bench out on a beautiful day, and he bolted up, dropped everything he was holding and sprinted away for a short distance, then slowly turned around and sheepishly walked back. I asked him what that was all about, and he said he felt the need to run away from some physical manifestation of death. It occurred to me (who carries a parrot around everywhere) that he had the same instinctual flight reflex - as in 'fight or flight' - that my bird will sometimes get just as he gets startled by nothing and flies away for no apparent reason. We had a laugh about it, and how my parrot was the more chill one at the time, then we headed home.
Later, he was convinced our mother (who is gravely ill) had only minutes left to live. He wanted to see her at that moment, and it took a lot of work on my behalf trying to explain to him that driving 40km across the city on a head full of LSD was a terrible idea.
The experience completely changed my brother's life for the better. Within a few months he quit computer games, moved out of mum's place, quit working a hotel job and got a new one at Volkswagon, started driving a new car company around, rented a new apartment in the city, got multiple lady friends....
Ego death is an interesting thing, but quite impossible to put into words, and the experience will differ differ from person to person anyway.
It's really fun!
I start my usual knife-making routine, but the acid makes me question if the specific action I'm doing is correct, or if it even has any significance at all. It's a very confusing feeling, but I knuckle down and complete the task, then I move onto the next thing and get the same fundamental questions running through my head. Before I know it, I have a beautiful finished object in my hands - born new to this world - and my brain can't quite add up how it got there...
The knives generally aren't sharp until the very end. It's surprisingly difficult to get hurt if you understand the dangers and have control over the tools you're using. Accidentally grabbing something hot is one of the biggest dangers, but it's not like you'll keep holding onto it. A small burn isn't the end of the world.
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