Any overgrind can be fixed. But that may need to change completly the look of the knifeEven worse: asking the owner to pay two hours of work (€150) and tell him, the overgrind can't be fixed.
Any overgrind can be fixed. But that may need to change completly the look of the knifeEven worse: asking the owner to pay two hours of work (€150) and tell him, the overgrind can't be fixed.
E.g. by reducing the width. A Nakiri turned into a peeler.Any overgrind can be fixed. But that may need to change completly the look of the knife
Thank you. I didn't have this Shop on my radar. Their location would be good.
It is very understandable that you need to have the knife in hand before making a concrete estimate. One more reason why it is great to send it to someone within the customs union.But yes, a proper examination of the knives will be necessary before saying how long I will spend on them. I can just put a ruler on the bevels and that will give me some info about how much I will have to grind, and how long that's gonna take. And maybe after you sent me the knife and I will tell you the time I will spend you finally prefer to do it yourself.
Yeah, that is a lot of work and probably the only way to get the really optimal result done. Obviously something that one would do only to a few select knives due to the cost involved. As much as I like my knives, that is not the investment I was thinking about at the moment. Thanks so much for clearing that up, I can think now what I want to achieve and what to invest.To be honest, a 240mm knife will take between 4 to 8 hours at least to be worked on whetstones to a good geometry with a fine polishing,
Preserving the KU finish is a "nice to have" kind of thing. Not the priority.True is that if you just want to thin the knife without getting a clean geometry, I am not sure I can do the job.
being power tools you can work with them making a straight shinogi (looking good) but with a poor geometry underneath the scratches. They hide mistakes and poor geometry
Ok, glad to hear its an old photo. I thought you were using it like this the whole timethis is why I removed it in the meantime.
Hopefully for you I am not working at a 160 usd rate for an hour of work! Just kiddingI guess the question is how DC does all this for a 80 USD fixed fee, or what to expect. I believe we are talking about two different things here:
1) DC-style quick fix: A power tool will be used to remove material, significantly improving the cutting performance of the blade. Minor imperfections are ignored when they don't significantly impact the performance. Then some kind of quick surface polish to increase the aesthetics. working time: 30mins on a power tool.
Quite reasonable question.I don't understand why they would decline the request, just because work on whetstone is long and somehow a bit hasardous (which is questionnable)
Wow! A lot more complexities have surfaced here than I had in my mind originally. Very interesting stuff, thanks everyone!
Thank you. I didn't have this Shop on my radar. Their location would be good.
Special thanks to @milangravier for taking the time and sharing your thoughts so extensively. I assume that cleancut's answer and your position are actually quite similar - it's the unknowns that make the whole thing tricky. I bet that if I took the knife and went to their shop, they would be able to give me a closer estimate in time needed and also could show me examples of the results I could expect. I also can imagine that there is some bad experiences behind their reluctance.
It is very understandable that you need to have the knife in hand before making a concrete estimate. One more reason why it is great to send it to someone within the customs union.
Yeah, that is a lot of work and probably the only way to get the really optimal result done. Obviously something that one would do only to a few select knives due to the cost involved. As much as I like my knives, that is not the investment I was thinking about at the moment. Thanks so much for clearing that up, I can think now what I want to achieve and what to invest.
Preserving the KU finish is a "nice to have" kind of thing. Not the priority.
I guess the question is how DC does all this for a 80 USD fixed fee, or what to expect. I believe we are talking about two different things here:
1) DC-style quick fix: A power tool will be used to remove material, significantly improving the cutting performance of the blade. Minor imperfections are ignored when they don't significantly impact the performance. Then some kind of quick surface polish to increase the aesthetics. working time: 30mins on a power tool.
2) Artisan-style perfectioning: That's probably what you have in mind. Whetstones will be used to meticulously create a perfect convex geometry that is without flaw technically and aesthetically, matching what you would send out as one of your own blades. Working time: 4-8 hours.
Do you agree?
If yes, I think something around solution 1 is what I am looking for. In the second case, it might be the more efficient route to get a perfectly done blade by an artisan like you in the first place. Then it would be your work from start to finish, and costwise, the difference wouldn't be huge.
Yeah, that's pretty much it. The thing is two-fold:or it will need to grind the upper part of the bevel and put wider bevels
What do you feel when cutting for wanting a thinning on this knife ?
My sharpening skills are so rudimentary, I simply could not imagine going at a $500+ knife to remove enough material without causing some damage. On mine, the shinogi line after sharpening was noticeably higher on the blade, but the profile of the blade remained unchanged. No way I could have done that myself. (Not to mention the fact that the kurouchi finish would no doubt have taken some damage!) Pics below are before and after I sent the knife to Ryan at District Cutlery for thinning.
Before:
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After:
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Quick dirty kasumi on a TF Denka. Flattened and thinned on SG 220, 320 and 500. Spent 3-4 hours on stones and had 5 gram steel removed. Followed by 5 minutes on 400 grit and 800 grit sandpapers. Then quick kasumi by a 15-minute uchi fingerstone session.
This is my third TF and it’s a recent thick version (5 mm spine). It has a few low spots but nothing as deep as on my previous 3 mm thick ones. Feels like a handsome workhorse now.
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That shouldn't be a problem. Thinning is super easy and i do it everytime after like 3 normal sharpening sessions.So when I keep using it and lose like 3mm of height, some real wedging will occur. That is somewhat speculative at this point.
And don't forget Swedish taxes!Even worse: asking the owner to pay two hours of work (€150) and tell him, the overgrind can't be fixed.
Yeah, that's pretty much it. The thing is two-fold:
1. Right now, it's okay. Not great, but okay. For softer vegetables, it's perfect, but with denser vegetables, there is significantly more resistance than other knives I have. Which I ascribe to the shoulders / shinogi line being to low, essentially. The other nakiris I have perform significantly better, including the 165mm Denka which is quite a thin knive alltogether. So that is where I'd love to get.
2. The way I see it, the knife gains thickness relatively quickly after the quite thin edge. So when I keep using it and lose like 3mm of height, some real wedging will occur. That is somewhat speculative at this point.
3. I've seen a few pics of reworked Denkas that made me wish for something similar. The thread that @deltaplex kindly mentioned contains one set:
What do you think of that before and after?
And then there is things like that. Incredible work done by @Hz_zzzzzz . Anyways, this reworking of a Denka would be brilliant to have. Obviously, here we have a significantly raised shoulder + a kasumi reworking, certainly that is much more work than the District Cutlery service. Having someone to modify my Denkas in such a way would be brilliant to have if costs weren't totally going through the roof.
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That sounds great. If it's not too much of an inconvenience, would you be willing to share a pic of your knife, maybe even before and after thinning?
I only have an after pic.That sounds great. If it's not too much of an inconvenience, would you be willing to share a pic of your knife, maybe even before and after thinning?
A bit much to ask, I know - no problem of course if not possible.
Thank you! That looks very interesting. It seems I might have to wait a bit for them to get their online offering up and running:Maybe try Shinogi Sharpening?
Note that we only take on sharpening projects at our location at the moment and do not provide any online service yet.
We are working on introducing a way to order knife sharpening online as soon as possible.
Working on my Denka currently. Can confirm.Fujiwara Teruyasu company encourages you to learn how to thin polish and maintain blade on your own. He sends you thick blade so you can develop skills necessary for a long life of knife skills and independence. Finding a specialist to tweak your knife for you is to disobey the teachings of wabi sabi.
One must make lasting relationship with TF blade through hours of labor. The labor teaches one patience, the satisfaction of a hard days work and fulfillment when exceptional cutting and even polished is formed by one’s own hands.
Teruyasu.net has gifted you very valuable specimen, once you have truly made it your own through hard work and dedication your TF will be a friend for life.
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It's a knife and thinning lesson all in one. What a bargain!Fujiwara Teruyasu company encourages you to learn how to thin polish and maintain blade on your own. He sends you thick blade so you can develop skills necessary for a long life of knife skills and independence. Finding a specialist to tweak your knife for you is to disobey the teachings of wabi sabi.
One must make lasting relationship with TF blade through hours of labor. The labor teaches one patience, the satisfaction of a hard days work and fulfillment when exceptional cutting and even polished is formed by one’s own hands.
Teruyasu.net has gifted you very valuable specimen, once you have truly made it your own through hard work and dedication your TF will be a friend for life.
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