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Howdy Knifekateers,

I have a personal anniversary/milestone coming up and am pondering getting something for myself. I'm going to be intentionally vague on this one. Not to complicate things, but just to see what my fellow enablers throw out at me. Maybe I'll latch onto something I wouldn't have otherwise considered. I'll give a few preferences and then see what you fine folks have to say.

As always, thanks in advance.

:cheers:



LOCATION
What country are you in?
USA

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
Gyuto or Santoku/Bunka


Are you right or left handed?
Right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
I like the feeling of a blade-forward knife so wa is my usual go-to but I'd consider Western if it doesn't upset the balance too much.

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
180-210

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
I absolutely do not but... My preferences are carbon and iron clad/mono carbon then full stainless (clad or mono). No carbon w/stainless cladding. I do not fear commitment! :)

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
$400USD

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
Home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
All except bones.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
Replacing. 😆 That's a good one!

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
I adjust my grip to suit the situation. It's a by-feel thing, ya know?

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
I'm motion diverse.

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
No biggy but I wouldn't mind something other than shirogami. Don't mind it at all, just seem to have a fair bit of it lately.

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?
Wood

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
Yep

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS:
If it could be hand delivered by Scarlett Johansson or @daveb that'd be a big plus!

:)

I already have an idea but I sincerely want to know what you folks toss at me.
 
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I thought you had a Wat 180 gyuto?

Next question?

Where in PNW? Maybe we could talk.

Indeed I do and it's a fine knife for sure. But, I'm moving away from stainless clad. I might even list it on BST at some point. o_O

I'm in Spokane. I fear you'd turn into a dry sponge within hours of debarkation. 😁
 
Which ones do you have already?
Ooooffff... There's been a few, especially in the 180 range. I like the cutting feel of Yoshi's but not the sudden flat spot. Yu Kurosaki just didn't jive with me. I liked my Manaka 210 but not enough to keep it. Same with a few others. My only 210 I still have is my Munetoshi and I enjoy it.
 
Myojin, Birgersson, Spare

180 stainless Myojin is a super handy knife to have around and should be readily available; cutting feel is very similar to Yoshikane. Birgersson and Spare might be a little more elusive but I think I saw a Birgersson santoku on BST recently.
 
I was gonna say the Kagekiyo Blue #2 at Miura but they seems to sold out… still have a 180mm Santoku tho, very fair pricing and I think they are great for experiencing Sakai wide bevel.
 
I think Simon Maillet is in that price range for that size. He is pumping out some really nice looking knives lately. He works with 26c3 along with Shirogami I believe.
 
Wat is pretty similar to myojin, so although I think very highly of myojin stuff, this may be redundant. My recommendation is something a bit different than what you already have. Matsubara white #1 KU. Extra tall (my 180 is 50mm, and my 210 is 60mm). The white#1 variant is beefier than his stainless clad options. Grind is no lightweight, but not as thick as Munetoshi. They have like a mini S-grind with convexity near the edge, and a bit of hollow slightly up from it. I feel like the overall finish of the white#1 is not as refined than the other versions, and there is some wabi-sabi in the grind. This one is up there alongside wakui and myojin as one of my favorite makers.
 
Wat is pretty similar to myojin, so although I think very highly of myojin stuff, this may be redundant. My recommendation is something a bit different than what you already have. Matsubara white #1 KU. Extra tall (my 180 is 50mm, and my 210 is 60mm). The white#1 variant is beefier than his stainless clad options. Grind is no lightweight, but not as thick as Munetoshi. They have like a mini S-grind with convexity near the edge, and a bit of hollow slightly up from it. I feel like the overall finish of the white#1 is not as refined than the other versions, and there is some wabi-sabi in the grind. This one is up there alongside wakui and myojin as one of my favorite makers.

I've actually had a Matsubara bunka and gyuto in my bookmarks for some time. Thanks for the thoughts on it.
 
Have you tried a Kochi yet? You already know I'm gonna recommend a Shindo blue #2 but the Kochis are certainly more refined and cut almost as well.

His 180 bunka is really the ideal bunka shape/size in my opinion

I haven't but it is another I have on my watch list. For this round, I'm thinking these are too similar to what I typically already buy. Meaning, I might be looking to stretch again. It's been a while since I really did that.

It doesn't help that @MSicardCutlery made me a near perfect knife in the form a 200ish honyaki gyuto that works so amazingly well it has become my baseline. That knife could easily be a one-knife solution. But, I mean, that doesn't appease my retail therapy needs. Ya know?

It's times like these that I'm really happy I didn't take to polishing. :)
 
Another good suggestion if you're going to stretch, based on last prices may be a Shihan. Last year it was $480 for either a 52100 or AEBL 210 (A2 was ~+50 more). I had my A2 made to Sakai length at 200mm, and it is such a nice knife.
+1 on Shihan. I just received my 210 in a2. At 208g it’s a little tank and so much fun to use. It was $525 and about a 3mo turnaround.
 
I haven't but it is another I have on my watch list. For this round, I'm thinking these are too similar to what I typically already buy. Meaning, I might be looking to stretch again. It's been a while since I really did that.

It doesn't help that @MSicardCutlery made me a near perfect knife in the form a 200ish honyaki gyuto that works so amazingly well it has become my baseline. That knife could easily be a one-knife solution. But, I mean, that doesn't appease my retail therapy needs. Ya know?

It's times like these that I'm really happy I didn't take to polishing. :)
Hmm that's tough, I feel we have fairly congruent tastes except on size so I'm not sure I have anything that's wildly different from my preferred Kochi/Shindo/Yoshikane/Wat vein of thick neck-laser edge that you don't already have (Munetoshi and Unshu Yukimitsu)

A Masashi SLD would be another interesting pickup, but the non-dammy ones are hard to find.

I'm very curious to see what you end up with.
 
Hmm that's tough, I feel we have fairly congruent tastes except on size so I'm not sure I have anything that's wildly different from my preferred Kochi/Shindo/Yoshikane/Wat vein of thick neck-laser edge that you don't already have (Munetoshi and Unshu Yukimitsu)

A Masashi SLD would be another interesting pickup, but the non-dammy ones are hard to find.

I'm very curious to see what you end up with.

Yeah, I was having hard time too. That's why I turned to the broader forum. 😁

Could be I save up a little more and go with my original plan. We'll see. Just fishing for ideas right now.

The Matsubara suggestion is a good one that has me mulling it over.

This guy is up there too. Can anyone confirm if it is iron clad? I think so but not 100%. @TokushuKnife?
https://tokushuknife.com/products/m...kurouchi-180mm-special-bunka-wa-walnut-handle
 
I haven't but it is another I have on my watch list. For this round, I'm thinking these are too similar to what I typically already buy. Meaning, I might be looking to stretch again. It's been a while since I really did that.

It doesn't help that @MSicardCutlery made me a near perfect knife in the form a 200ish honyaki gyuto that works so amazingly well it has become my baseline. That knife could easily be a one-knife solution. But, I mean, that doesn't appease my retail therapy needs. Ya know?

It's times like these that I'm really happy I didn't take to polishing. :)
Pics?

Have nothing to add to this as my suggestion to you is a 180 wat pro which I own only because you recommend it to me.

I want something by Matt but I always splurge on other things. I really need to try something by him
 
Pics?

Have nothing to add to this as my suggestion to you is a 180 wat pro which I own only because you recommend it to me.

I want something by Matt but I always splurge on other things. I really need to try something by him

Matt makes an excellent knife. I have four from him. If you don't want anything fancy looking and performance oriented, you would be very hard pressed to beat his price, especially for the value. But he can make 'em purty too.

The first one in this link is the one I was referencing in this thread but the one below it is also super nice. :)
https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/show-your-newest-knife-buy.7655/post-994046
 
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