We definitely sit next to each-other in the same media bubble. I read both the G and Conversation articles before you posted... āŗ
From the article: āapart from Trumpās America and Sweden.ā
Is that what weāre called now?
We definitely sit next to each-other in the same media bubble. I read both the G and Conversation articles before you posted... āŗ
Iām afraid soIs that what weāre called now?
- The economic cost of all the dead people exceeds the economic damage caused by lock-down by a lot.
all the people dying from corona in sweden are the elderly and sick. and since taking care of these people are handled by the lowest iq folks (not very well paying jobs) its not hard to imagine how this could spread in the care homes. and this is what has happened. simple as that.
these people were doomed already by jan1.
Me bad. I forgot that older people are disposable and donāt count.no. all the dead people are senior citizens in the care homes. 80-90-100 years old so in fact they only COST money.
its a win-win situation for the gov.
Me bad. I forgot that older people are disposable and donāt count.
Be sure to tell that to your parents, grandparents, uncles, and aunts!
And let's not forget the under legal working age demographic. All of them are lazy bums! Don't pay any taxes or go to work and expect to be fed, sheltered AND educated.Actually 20-somethings are the most expensive. Many of them will go on to get married and divorced, and that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per couple. Some culling of 20-something year-olds should do wonder for some economies
Not so much viral assault ->current understanding is that acute respiratory distress syndrome as a result of cytokine storm +/- multi organ damage.
The disposable ones are the people that were hoarding toilet paperi'm not the one deeming them disposable. way above my pay grade. you do the math.
FTFYThe disposable ones are the people that were hoarding bamboo shoots
We have a pandemic that is killing people of all ages and we don't have a plan to deal with it. We have no vaccine, no miracle cure, nothing but body bags and a lot of BS. We as a nation are not dealing with the pandemic except to put our heads in a hole and hope that it goes away. That's just my optimistic view of things so not to worry.
14 counties vs 435 congressional districts for scale..."Fourteen counties in New York, Michigan, Louisiana and Washington accounted for about half of the nationās coronavirus-related deaths through mid-April."
180 vs 435 congressional disctrics = no casesThere are still more than 180 counties across 25 states that have yet to report a positive case
link>Of the 25 rural counties with the highest per capita case rates, 20 have a meatpacking plant or prison where the virus took hold and spread with abandon, then leaped into the community when workers took it home.
There is no "science" to fall back on...hence its a hard prblem"
You have a virus with a infection fatality rate of ~0.15%, abiout the same order of magnitude % (50% worse) than the flu (outside of institutional settings).
Indi just announced they re lifting lockdown, the correlation of "uncorrelated" what should be public health decisions is insane...people are just copying everyone else...all the lockdowns started at once, and all the lockdowns are being lifted at once...
Look at the numbers in australia or new zealand, there is no realationship between these people and anywhere else (since they are islands) but they are still debating if they should stay locked up...
Meanwhile, in the USA masssive % of deaths in a tiny % of counties...so the data don't scale ...cannot assume place x looks like place Y
14 counties vs 435 congressional districts for scale...
180 vs 435 congressional disctrics = no cases
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/24/coronavirus-rural-america-outbreaks/
These are hard problems...
I feel for you guys Jacko, i noticed California had the highest (3000) number of new case in the country yesterday. Please take care.With little or no testing we don't have any reported cases in some counties. How many deaths are acceptable to you 100,000 , 200,000, 300,000 or more? We have no plan and the virus is spreading slowly but surely. Dare I say it again we have no plan and the politicians are not listening to the scientists.
A lot of people in Los Angeles county went to nearby counties or Arizona over the weekend....I feel for you guys Jacko, i noticed California had the highest (3000) number of new case in the country yesterday. Please take care.
One of the problems is that even the "scientists" don't seem to have a good idea how it spreads or anything else really.
I get they need to cover their asses just in case, but it really is not clear what the right course of action is.
I would strongly disagree with that. We have quite a good idea of how it spreads. Mostly by droplet infection between persons in close contact. Probably also to some degree by picking up the virus from surfaces that someone sneezed or coughed onto.One of the problems is that even the "scientists" don't seem to have a good idea how it spreads or anything else really.
That statement strikes me as truly unlikely. These are people who spend their lives studying viruses, working on epidemiology, have come up with vaccines, got HIV under control, have eradicated (or nearly so) smallpox and polio, and so on. Scientists have forgotten more about their field of expertise than the rest of the population put together has ever learned. I don't understand why you would want to just sweep that under the carpet, or disregard their advice.everyone who says listen to the scientists needs to realize that they don't seem to have much more clue than the rest of us
With little or no testing we don't have any reported cases in some counties.
I expect that situation to improve over time. (I do hear you on the economic and scale argument.) We'll get cheaper and more reliable tests, simply because there is a huge incentive to create them: we need those tests to keep the lid on the pandemic until we have a vaccine.But the bigger picture...testing is impossible to implement at scale for a variety of reasons...
I donāt think this is about covering their asses. This is how scientists talk. If we donāt know something for certain, we donāt speak in absolutes.
I would strongly disagree with that. We have quite a good idea of how it spreads. Mostly by droplet infection between persons in close contact. Probably also to some degree by picking up the virus from surfaces that someone sneezed or coughed onto.
It appears to be well established that asymptomatic people can spread the virus, so I don't understand why you raised that point.
That statement strikes me as truly unlikely. These are people who spend their lives studying viruses, working on epidemiology, have come up with vaccines, got HIV under control, have eradicated (or nearly so) smallpox and polio, and so on. Scientists have forgotten more about their field of expertise than the rest of the population put together has ever learned. I don't understand why you would want to just sweep that under the carpet, or disregard their advice.
As @ian said, scientists don't always have all the answers, and answers are rarely absolute. Instead, scientists run experiments, observe, formulate hypotheses based on the observations, test the hypotheses and, little by little, gain a deeper understanding of whatever puzzle they are looking at. All the while subjecting their work to peer review, so other scientists can try to replicate the results, and check whether there are flaws in the reasoning or experimental setup.
This is how science works. Little by little, in the open. This is why we have cars, aeroplanes, computers, modern surgery, vaccines, cancer treatments, mobile phones, Google maps, PM steel knives, and ten million other things without which modern life would be impossible.
Last time I looked, most people were quite happy to see their doctor to get advice and treatment for whatever ailment they have. And they don't mind at all showing up at a hospital to get patched back up after a car accident or to get that chemotherapy that might save their life. People also seem quite content to use their mobile phone to navigate to a destination, or use the weather report to find out about a hurricane before it actually hits them. None of these things would be possible without some very advanced science and engineering, from microbiology, to general relativity, to rocketry and satellites.
As to what to do about the virus, scientists have indeed a very good idea of what to do: isolate. In the absence of a treatment or a vaccine, that is the next best thing we can do to stop it from spreading.
We know that this works. See Australia and New Zealand, for example. These two countries have 4 deaths per million population. For comparison, the US has 304 per million (that's 76 times more), and Sweden has 409 (over 100 times more). For countries with a sizeable population, Sweden currently has the 6th-highest death rate in the world, after Belgium, Spain, the UK, Italy, and France.
Scientists deal in facts. And wishful thinking does not change facts, not ever. I'll keep listening to the scientists, even when I sometimes don't like the answers they give. Call me old-fashioned, if you like.
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