Shihan knife stolen.

[dAtron]

Dear members of KKF. Last week I was expecting a telegraph clad gyuto from Shihan. Upon receiving the parcel, I noticed it was strangely light, of course I immediately knew what was the matter and once I opened the parcel my worst fears were confirmed. Someone had sliced the box, removed the knife and then taped it back. If you see it being sold anywhere would you kindly let me know.

Thank you.

 

[drsmp]

What size was it?
Saw it on IG 226x54

 

[labor of love]

Was the knife fully insured? Did you order directly from shihan or private seller?

 

[dAtron]

What size was it?

Blade length - 226mm
Height at heel - 54mm

 

[dAtron]

Was the knife fully insured? Did you order directly from shihan or private seller?

Ordered from Shihan directly I believe it was not fully insured

 

[HSC /// Knives]

Just curious, who was the shipping courier? Shipping method

 

[Corradobrit1]

Thats crazy. I'm curious too.
Was the package always in the possession of the courier or yourself at all times? How was the shipment described on the Waybill? The weight difference would be noticeable as you indicated. Depending on the courier there should be several points during the journey where the weight is recorded. I would contact the courier in the first instance if they delivered directly to you. The bad news is that in the best case you would only get the declared value back. Might be worth checking with your CC too as there is often insurance included against loss or damage.

 

[dAtron]

Just curious, who was the shipping courier? Shipping method

UPS was the courier and was delivered to a local collection point that I have used many times before since I was not at home. Always had issues with UPS maybe it was not a good idea to use them again.

Thats crazy. I'm curious too.
Was the package always in the possession of the courier or yourself at all times? How was the shipment described on the Waybill? The weight difference would be noticeable as you indicated. Depending on the courier there should be several points during the journey where the weight is recorded. I would contact the courier in the first instance if they delivered directly to you. The bad news is that in the best case you would only get the declared value back. Might be worth checking with your CC too as there is often insurance included against loss or damage.

I have started a claims process and now waiting for them to investigate. Nothing I can do at the moment than hope it shows up. It was described as kitchen knife with wooden handle.

 

[Corradobrit1]

Sorry to hear that. If it was a missing package I might have some hope of it showing up. But a fancy knife removed from the package is going to be very unlikely to reappear, unless the perp tries to sell it on. I would keep an eye out on Gumtree and Ebay.
Definitely talk to your CC and see if there are any protections in place from their side.
Good luck

 

[HumbleHomeCook]

That sucks OP and I'm sorry that happened to you.

Sadly, I've read many accounts of this very thing occurring with USPS, UPS, and FedEx over the years. Lots of instances of it reported in the EDC world.

I recall a pretty healthy debate about whether or not to get insurance as some carriers indicate that on the label and it becomes a beacon for the criminal scum whose hands it might pass through. Don't remember details though.

Some folks will use a colored tape below the clear tape to make tampering more obvious and hopefully act as a deterrent.

 

[McMan]

Are you sure they pulled the knife through the slit? What's weird is that there's no damage to the cardboard around the slit. If the knife was pulled through the slit, there should be signs of that on the cardboard (especially if it was bulky from being wrapped in bubble wrap).

 

[M1k3]

Are you sure they pulled the knife through the slit? What's weird is that there's no damage to the cardboard around the slit. If the knife was pulled through the slit, there should be signs of that on the cardboard (especially if it was bulky from being wrapped in bubble wrap).

They opened it up, then taped it close. At least that's what I understand.

 

[dAtron]

Are you sure they pulled the knife through the slit? What's weird is that there's no damage to the cardboard around the slit. If the knife was pulled through the slit, there should be signs of that on the cardboard (especially if it was bulky from being wrapped in bubble wrap).

I can't know for sure. But there is brown tape to seal the slit from the outside. Which is not what the original tape was. There was no bubble wrap, just packing paper. If the knife sliced through on it's own no one would have taped the outside. This is my theory but can't know for sure. The mechanism of theft doesn't really matter I would say. The feeling of getting an empty parcel though really hurt.

 

[Corradobrit1]

Could it have been confiscated. Someone was told by DHL that importation of kitchen knives into the UK was banned as of April 2022. Clearly there is some confusion in the DHL office. Was the courier DHL?

https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/importing-kitchen-knives-now-banned.417738/

 

[inferno]

Could it have been confiscated. Someone was told by DHL that importation of kitchen knives into the UK was banned as of April 2022. Clearly there is some confusion in the DHL office. Was the courier DHL?

https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/importing-kitchen-knives-now-banned.417738/

wtf does this even mean. kitchen knives importation was banned? so how the **** are you gonna cut **** in the uk then?? with your dick? you gonna sharpen your dick?

 

[eltonmichael45]

UPS was the courier and was delivered to a local collection point that I have used many times before since I was not at home. Always had issues with UPS maybe it was not a good idea to use them again.

I have started a claims process and now waiting for them to investigate. Nothing I can do at the moment than hope it shows up. It was described as kitchen knife with wooden handle.

UPS was the courier and was delivered to a local collection point that I have used many times

Was the 'collection point" a UPS store or a similar operation.?
I had shipped a custom cleaver to a client c/o a UPS store and he never received it.
It turned out the franchisee operating the store were stealing from shipments.

 

[Corradobrit1]

*** does this even mean. kitchen knives importation was banned? so how the **** are you gonna cut **** in the uk then?? with your dick? you gonna sharpen your dick?

DHL staffers, sheesh. Stick to USPS.

 

[esoo]

Canada Post lists the following as prohibited for shipping to the UK

bladed items or sharply pointed articles, such as knives, blades or axes

 

[ReiHamono]

Someone had of known exactly what was in there, as they knew exactly how to remove it

 

[dAtron]

Was the 'collection point" a UPS store or a similar operation.?
I had shipped a custom cleaver to a client c/o a UPS store and he never received it.
It turned out the franchisee operating the store were stealing from shipments.

It was something similar to this. A local convenience store

 

[jonnachang]

I never say knives, I say kitchen tools.

 

[drsmp]

@jonnachang
Kitchen tools also much less likely to be returned to seller by customs as “weapons”

 

[eltonmichael45]

It was something similar to this. A local convenience store

The ones like that which I've used have locker type boxes and the delivery notification gives you the code to open.
I guess the scenario I described wouldn't fit that

 

[ian]

*** does this even mean. kitchen knives importation was banned? so how the **** are you gonna cut **** in the uk then?? with your dick? you gonna sharpen your dick?

That explains those recurring abrasions!

 

[JayS20]

Did you also pay Tax and customs?

 

[esoo]

Dear members of KKF. Last week I was expecting a telegraph clad gyuto from Shihan. Upon receiving the parcel, I noticed it was strangely light, of course I immediately knew what was the matter and once I opened the parcel my worst fears were confirmed. Someone had sliced the box, removed the knife and then taped it back. If you see it being sold anywhere would you kindly let me know.

Thank you.

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I just have to say this as this has been bothering me since I saw the picture of the box - that slice has nothing to do with the way the knife was removed from the box.

I've not yet received my knife from Shehan, but I'm going to assume he knows how to pack a knife - edge protected, surrounded in packing paper so the knife won't move. That would mean that to reach the knife, you'd have to cut in the middle of the end to be able to reach it. Also assuming that the box is longer than the knife, you'd have to do more damage to the box to reach in the grab the knife to pull it out. There isn't enough damage there for fingers to have gotten into the box to pull the knife out.

Let's assume that the knife was packed in the worse way possible - bare knife dropped in the box and packing paper stuck on top. The knife slides to the end, cuts the four layers of cardboard and sticks out the end, where someone grabs it, pulls it out of the box and tapes the end up. As has been mentioned, the handle will damage the box as it's pulled through (as it's bigger than that slice) and there is no indication of that. As well, in the picture, the cardboard looks pushed inwards from the outside so the knife was not pulled out through there.

I would examine the rest of the box for being re-taped.

 

[MowgFace]

I just have to say this as this has been bothering me since I saw the picture of the box - that slice has nothing to do with the way the knife was removed from the box.

I've not yet received my knife from Shehan, but I'm going to assume he knows how to pack a knife - edge protected, surrounded in packing paper so the knife won't move. That would mean that to reach the knife, you'd have to cut in the middle of the end to be able to reach it. Also assuming that the box is longer than the knife, you'd have to do more damage to the box to reach in the grab the knife to pull it out. There isn't enough damage there for fingers to have gotten into the box to pull the knife out.

Let's assume that the knife was packed in the worse way possible - bare knife dropped in the box and packing paper stuck on top. The knife slides to the end, cuts the four layers of cardboard and sticks out the end, where someone grabs it, pulls it out of the box and tapes the end up. As has been mentioned, the handle will damage the box as it's pulled through (as it's bigger than that slice) and there is no indication of that. As well, in the picture, the cardboard looks pushed inwards from the outside so the knife was not pulled out through there.

I would examine the rest of the box for being re-taped.

When i received my 240 Shihan it was packed beautifully.

 

[WPerry]

What's the response from Shihan?

 

[drsmp]

Could it have been confiscated. Someone was told by DHL that importation of kitchen knives into the UK was banned as of April 2022. Clearly there is some confusion in the DHL office. Was the courier DHL?

https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/importing-kitchen-knives-now-banned.417738/

I’m in Marietta Ga. I’ve given up on using DHL to ship knives. Even labeled as kitchen tools, the first depot razor blades the middle of the box (didn’t go through the seams) trash my packing to inspect the contents, classify the kitchen knife as a weapon, stuff everything back in the box and return it to me as banned item. This happened three tries in a row (because buyers 2 and 3 requested DHL). Also DHLs CSRs are a pain, took hours after each return to get refunded.

 

[Tler]

I just have to say this as this has been bothering me since I saw the picture of the box - that slice has nothing to do with the way the knife was removed from the box.

I've not yet received my knife from Shehan, but I'm going to assume he knows how to pack a knife - edge protected, surrounded in packing paper so the knife won't move. That would mean that to reach the knife, you'd have to cut in the middle of the end to be able to reach it. Also assuming that the box is longer than the knife, you'd have to do more damage to the box to reach in the grab the knife to pull it out. There isn't enough damage there for fingers to have gotten into the box to pull the knife out.

Let's assume that the knife was packed in the worse way possible - bare knife dropped in the box and packing paper stuck on top. The knife slides to the end, cuts the four layers of cardboard and sticks out the end, where someone grabs it, pulls it out of the box and tapes the end up. As has been mentioned, the handle will damage the box as it's pulled through (as it's bigger than that slice) and there is no indication of that. As well, in the picture, the cardboard looks pushed inwards from the outside so the knife was not pulled out through there.

I would examine the rest of the box for being re-taped.

I'm just imagining this thief opened the package, made a slice in the package, and thought to himself, "I'm so clever, people will think the knife cut itself out of the box and nobody will suspect a thing."

Twice this has happened to me where I've received a box and the contents (not knives) have been removed and the box resealed. One with Fedex and the other UPS and both using their slower shipping method. The slower methods are exposed to a lot more workers/drivers and sometimes sit for days at certain warehouses or transportation points ripe for the picking. That's why I usually go with USPS priority mail.