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I was checking out some S Tanaka blades on K&S and came across a couple of Gyutos by Y Tanaka. Quick search here didn’t turn up anything - has anyone had experience with these? They seem to be fairly different (longer, taller, heavier, wider with more aggressive taper) than the ones for JNS.

 

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I wish I could un-see this thread. This 210 and the 240 look gorgeous, and the specs are sweet. Especially the heel height and the K&S profile. These are no doubt some serious performing blades by the looks of it.
 

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They are fairly recent additions to KNS. I am also interested to hear a first hand review.
 

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True 240, unlike the JNS ones, and that heel height 😍
Waiting on someone to review one :)
 

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That looks like a model that is generally reserved for another company in Europe.

I ordered his KU White 240s in normal, tall and kiritsuke. I’ll try to compare them all when I get them.
 

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I was checking out some S Tanaka blades on K&S and came across a couple of Gyutos by Y Tanaka. Quick search here didn’t turn up anything - has anyone had experience with these? They seem to be fairly different (longer, taller, heavier, wider with more aggressive taper) than the ones for JNS.

Basically looks to me like the JNS 240 with a ebony handle stuck on. Okay, heel height is a bit shorter but the rest seems to line up.
 

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Basically looks to me like the JNS 240 with a ebony handle stuck on. Okay, heel height is a bit shorter but the rest seems to line up.
the length is different at 224mm, he makes a 225 Gyuto for one shop. I think k&s got a few of those.
 

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I wish I could un-see this thread. This 210 and the 240 look gorgeous, and the specs are sweet. Especially the heel height and the K&S profile. These are no doubt some serious performing blades by the looks of it.
Add it to the list I guess
 

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Basically looks to me like the JNS 240 with a ebony handle stuck on. Okay, heel height is a bit shorter but the rest seems to line up.
Don’t they look a little thicker than the JNS line though?
 

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Yea, if by “the same” you mean Damascus instead of regular iron cladding, Blue 1 instead of White 1 core, 50 mm tall instead of 55 mm, 3.5 mm vs 2.9 mm over the heel, with a different profile, then they are the same.

Edit: Heh heh, joke’s on me. You were talking about the Damascus JNS Tanaka 240, obviously, which I never think about. Yea, those do look kinda similar except for the heel height. Apologies to you, @esoo. 🥰 That’ll teach me to restrain my morning crankiness.
 
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Yea, if by “the same” you mean Damascus instead of regular iron cladding, Blue 1 instead of White 1 core, 50 mm tall instead of 55 mm, 3.5 mm vs 2.9 mm over the heel, with a different profile, then they are the same.
Owie 😂
 

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Different profiles, different sizes, different finish, different handles, did I forget something? 😁
 

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I have a JNS blue dama and I love it. The K&S also appeals to me - I think larger heel height, more weight, etc.

I am nervous about pulling the trigger because I worry I am duplicating the knife

does Anyone else have the JNS blue Damascus Y Tanaka?
 

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I have a JNS blue dama and I love it. The K&S also appeals to me - I think larger heel height, more weight, etc.

I am nervous about pulling the trigger because I worry I am duplicating the knife

does Anyone else have the JNS blue Damascus Y Tanaka?
The ebony handle is adding around 50g to a rather lightweight knife (probably the main reason for the weight difference), so it will feel very different to a similarity sized knife with a ho wood handle. I have still the white#1 240 from JNS, the b#1 is supposed to be similar in profile and grind and has lovely finish IMO.
 

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That white Y Tanaka was a sweet deal at JNS when he put them on sale

sadly, I had already bought the blue 240 Dammy. In error, Maksim sent me the blue 270 Y Tanaka, instead of the 240.

and we did not discover the error of his ways until a few months later - by that time too late to do anything about it. So I was left with a lovely 270 blue Damascus for the price of a 240

I think the KNS knife is priced better than JNS - it’s a good deal

very tempting
 

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I just measured the JNS Y Tanaka - 205 gm, 54mm heel height, and 255 mm heel to tip. Ho wood handle.

I think that is very similar to K&S profile, and except the ebony wood is adding weight - as per @Matus.
 

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Last but not least - there is always a (sometimes considerable) variation - especially with products with a lot of hand work. Example - my Toyama stainless-clad Nakiri weights some 183g - in the same batch was a knife with 230g.

In this particular case of comparing 2 damascus clad blades the main objective differences are: handle (ho versus ebony) and finished (polished versus etched). The rest is most likely dominated by sample-to-sample variations.
 

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JNS is polished (with longitudinal scratch pattern - similar Munetoshi honyaki), KnS is etched (well, obviously some kind of polishing had to happen before).
 

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@Matus since you mentioned the weight of the ebony handle at 50g, do you have a standard reference for a similar ho/horn handle?
 

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I just measured the JNS Y Tanaka - 205 gm, 54mm heel height, and 255 mm heel to tip. Ho wood handle.

I think that is very similar to K&S profile, and except the ebony wood is adding weight - as per @Matus.
Jns sizing is different compared to kns. The 210 kns and 240 jns are listed as similar lengths so pricing is similar.
 

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Yea, if by “the same” you mean Damascus instead of regular iron cladding, Blue 1 instead of White 1 core, 50 mm tall instead of 55 mm, 3.5 mm vs 2.9 mm over the heel, with a different profile, then they are the same.

Edit: Heh heh, joke’s on me. You were talking about the Damascus JNS Tanaka 240, obviously, which I never think about. Yea, those do look kinda similar except for the heel height. Apologies to you, @esoo. 🥰 That’ll teach me to restrain my morning crankiness.
Monday moment. :D. I did something similar today at my work.
 

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@Matus since you mentioned the weight of the ebony handle at 50g, do you have a standard reference for a similar ho/horn handle?
I said that the ebony would bring about 50g extra. I am not sure about the weight of a standard ho wood handle for a relatively lightweight 210/240 gyuto, could be around 50g, give or take.
 

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I said that the ebony would bring about 50g extra. I am not sure about the weight of a standard ho wood handle for a relatively lightweight 210/240 gyuto, could be around 50g, give or take.
A Konosuke Ho Wood handle that came off a new edition HD2 210 weighs about 25g
 
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