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LOCATION
What country are you in? - United States


KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)? - Nakiri

Are you right or left handed? - Right


Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle? - Japanese


What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)? - ~165mm


Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no) - No, but never owned a carbon knife


What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife? - $300


KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment? - Home


What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.) - chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables


What knife, if any, are you replacing? None. Adding to current set of Yoshihiro gyuto and Meglio petty(on the way) among other cheaper knives.

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.) Pinch Grip

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.) - Push Cut, Chop

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.) - Comfort, Ease of use, Perforamnce.

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? - Wood End Grain, Looking to add a FSB

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.) - Learning

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.). - I just purchased but have not yet used a Naniwa Pro 800 and 3000.


SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
Leaning towards stainless, in particular SG2, since we cook with alot of tomoatoes, onions, lemons and limes and worried about care for a carbon knife. I cook in only carbon steel and cast iron pans so the idea of a carbon knife does have a lure for me though.
 
For $300, the Watanabe Pro (Toyama) and Moritaka jump out at me. I have both in 180mm and they are very nice but different. They both are very slicey but the Wat Pro is thicker while the Moritaka is more wieldy.

I suspect they're both about the same in their 165 versions.

I wouldn't stress care too much. It's usually the cladding that is more reactive than the carbon core but even then it isn't usually too bad after a little use. I actually prefer iron clad. While acidic ingredients can degrade non-stainless steels faster, it isn't a big deal and aogami and shirogami are really nice to learn sharpening on.

Look at Knife Japan for some generally inexpensive, often rustic, but nice knives.

Shindo and Shiro Kamo are other popular offerings.

For stainless and learning sharpening, I'd lean to Ginsan/Silver #3. It sharpens very nicely. SG2 is not necessarily hard to sharpen but I wouldn't recommend it to a budding sharpener either if other options are available.
 
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I highly recommend Shigeki Tanaka's ginsan. It takes and holds a better edge than any other ginsan I've tried, though I haven't tried Nakagawa's. Stainless but sharpens like carbon, will be better for you to learn on than SG2. I've got your same 800/3k stones it is particularly nice with that progression.

This one is for sale on BST if you're good with used:

Post in thread 'Cleanout v2' WTS - Cleanout v2
 
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For $300, the Watanabe Pro (Toyama) and Moritaka jump out at me. I have both in 180mm and they are very nice but different. They both are very slicey but the Wat Pro is thicker while the Moritaka is more wieldy.

I suspect they're both about the same in their 165 versions.

I wouldn't stress care too much. It's usually the cladding that is more reactive than the carbon core but even then it isn't usually too bad after a little use. I actually prefer iron clad. While acidic ingredients can degrade non-stainless steels faster, it isn't a big deal and aogami and shirogami are really nice to learn sharpening on.

Look at Knife Japan for some generally inexpensive, often rustic, but nice knives.

Shindo and Shiro Kamo are other popular offerings.

For stainless and learning sharpening, I'd lean to Ginsan/Silver #3. It sharpens very nicely. SG2 is not necessarily hard to sharpen but I wouldn't recommend it to a budding sharpener either if other options are available.
A nakiri should be rustic. Its origins are as the basic do it all blade of the Japanese farmer's wife not the professional restaurant chef. I would go with just about any of KnifeJapan's models that suit your personal tastes. I have two, a 165 and a 170,
 
A nakiri should be rustic. Its origins are as the basic do it all blade of the Japanese farmer's wife not the professional restaurant chef. I would go with just about any of KnifeJapan's models that suit your personal tastes. I have two, a 165 and a 170,

I've tried around 10 nakiris, up and down the price ladder and this one to date is my favorite:

https://knifejapan.com/homi-kajiya-nakiri-bocho-165mm-aogami-2/
Slicey without being fragile, accordion cuts are almost non existent, food release is good for what it is, steel is really nice and cladding isn't overly reactive.

I have a Shindo inbound but my Homi stands as my baseline.
 
LOCATION
What country are you in? - United States


KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)? - Nakiri

Are you right or left handed? - Right


Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle? - Japanese


What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)? - ~165mm


Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no) - No, but never owned a carbon knife


What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife? - $300


KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment? - Home


What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.) - chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables


What knife, if any, are you replacing? None. Adding to current set of Yoshihiro gyuto and Meglio petty(on the way) among other cheaper knives.

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.) Pinch Grip

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.) - Push Cut, Chop

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.) - Comfort, Ease of use, Perforamnce.

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? - Wood End Grain, Looking to add a FSB

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.) - Learning

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.). - I just purchased but have not yet used a Naniwa Pro 800 and 3000.


SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
Leaning towards stainless, in particular SG2, since we cook with alot of tomoatoes, onions, lemons and limes and worried about care for a carbon knife. I cook in only carbon steel and cast iron pans so the idea of a carbon knife does have a lure for me though.
I'm a home cook and have three. The first I got in Japan from a local family--a Seki Magoroku--that I'm sure cost very little. It's what they were using. I've now used it for more than 30 years--thin, light, with steel that holds an edge and easy to keep sharp. I've since purchased a wide nakiri with VG-10 hammered steel, and a dual core with a very similar profile to my first. The new one's are fun, but I'm not convinced that you need to spend a lot of money to get a more than adequate nakiri for the home.
 
Probably too late, but I rate the Shindo Nakiri with an upgraded handle (see Chefs Edge) at the cheaper end, Tetsujin Nakiri at the mid point and the hado blue 1 Damascus at the higher price point. all are carbon but do not rust readily if career for, and the Shindo (and to a lesser extent the Hado) have some Ku protection.
 
I think you’ll find a carbon steel knife comparable to a carbon steel pan for use and care. Also, once you get the initial patina (like seasoning a carbon pan), they’re much less reactive and easier to maintain.
 
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