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Hi,
I'm looking for a stainless 150mm petty, western handle with a price between $70-150. I divided the candidates into a value and a splurge group.

The cheap ones are:

Kikumori SKK MV $75
Jikko INOX $78
Masahiro MV-H $72

Expensive:

Masamoto VG $118
Sugimoto CM $143
Jikko Premium Master II $111
Takamura VG10/R2 $140

Will there be a big difference in quality, edge retention and sharpness as the price increases?
Which knife would you recommend me to buy and why?
 
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Taffalito said:
Which knife would you recommend me to buy and why?
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How do you intend to use it?

I'll also throw in a couple other notes:
* The Jikko is extremely righty-biased.
* A Zanmai, whether AUS-8 or damascus VG-10, might also be in your price ranges.
 
Nothing to dislike about the Takamura petty I have. I’d personally get the 135 as I always go for a 180 over a 150.
150 is kind of too small for some things and too big for others imo
 
zizirex said:
Takamura 150 or Hitohira FJ 150.
those are some of the best you can get and get the job done.
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As for the Hitohira, are you talking about the VG1 or semi stainless version? I can get the VG1 150mm and semi stainless 120mm for 97 € each. Is it a fair price? Then there is a Takamura R2 130mm for 119 €, very tempting, maybe I should pull the trigger on that one?
 
Qapla' said:
How do you intend to use it?

I'll also throw in a couple other notes:
* The Jikko is extremely righty-biased.
* A Zanmai, whether AUS-8 or damascus VG-10, might also be in your price ranges.
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As a daily beater, hence the stainless blade. I'm by the way right handed.
 
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rickbern said:
I can’t work out why takamura would allow a vendor to undercut the price like that and sell an identical product. Doesn’t make sense to me. Have no real knowledge of this particular product though.
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135€ is equivalent to $150, which is what CKTG sells them for. CKC sells them for $140. MTC sells it for $130. I bought mine of an eBay seller for $125. Price seems about right to me. The shops selling them for $180 are overpriced.
 
What about Morihei Hisamoto Hagane petty 150mm for 112 € or Hitohira T10 Migaki 150mm for 122 €?
 
How about a Sakai Takayuki Grand Chef WA Petty 150mm for $102.99? Sakai Takayuki Grand Chef Japanese-style Chef's Petty Knife(Utility) 150mm

Anybody here familiar with this particular knife or generally the Bohler-Uddeholm steel used in Sakai Takayuki Grand Chef line of knives?

Other alternatives are Shizo Hamono Gen VG10 Petty 160mm for 95 € or the more expensive Seki Kanetsugu Zuiun R2 150mm for about 155 €.

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We have a 135mm JCK Blue Clouds and it might be both the cheapest and most used knife in the kitchen. It just seems to get grabbed frequently for small odd jobs. As such it’s perfect - solid, tough, decent weight, cheap enough that I don’t fret about it, and the pakkawood handle is worry-free. I think it’s the same OEM make as Tsunehisa and other house-brands.

My 150mm is a stainless-clad AS from Y Kato. It’s a more serious cutter - thin, light, delicate. I only grab it for actual prep work as it just feels more delicate and I use it with more deliberation and care.

So overall I’d recommend thinking about how you plan to use the knife. If it’s basically utility-style knife then go cheap and tough. For “real” use then a Takamura or similar.

Here’s the 150mm version of the Blue Clouds, although I think mine is VG10.
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...aus-8-basic-series-bca-2-petty-150mm-5-8-inch
 
Delat said:
We have a 135mm JCK Blue Clouds and it might be both the cheapest and most used knife in the kitchen. It just seems to get grabbed frequently for small odd jobs. As such it’s perfect - solid, tough, decent weight, cheap enough that I don’t fret about it, and the pakkawood handle is worry-free. I think it’s the same OEM make as Tsunehisa and other house-brands.

My 150mm is a stainless-clad AS from Y Kato. It’s a more serious cutter - thin, light, delicate. I only grab it for actual prep work as it just feels more delicate and I use it with more deliberation and care.

So overall I’d recommend thinking about how you plan to use the knife. If it’s basically utility-style knife then go cheap and tough. For “real” use then a Takamura or similar.

Here’s the 150mm version of the Blue Clouds, although I think mine is VG10.
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...aus-8-basic-series-bca-2-petty-150mm-5-8-inch
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Invaluable advice here. More often than not my pettys are doing the dirty work.
Personally I find gingas to be thin and durable (atleast considering the thinness).
My TF Maboroshi petty is my only disappointing TF purchase so far. It’s ground like a beater or basic knife but I shouldn’t use it for rough task because I’m not sure the steel can handle it.
Honestly I was using a Mac Pro 150mm petty a couple years ago that I paid maybe $59-70 for and it was great. Thin blade, even thinner because I thinned the hell out of it, low hrc and could take a beating. Everyone in my kitchen dropped it many times. After about the 12th drop that tip was forever wrecked but who cares it zipped through everything and was cheap AF.
 
Taffalito said:
As for the Hitohira, are you talking about the VG1 or semi stainless version? I can get the VG1 150mm and semi stainless 120mm for 97 € each. Is it a fair price? Then there is a Takamura R2 130mm for 119 €, very tempting, maybe I should pull the trigger on that one?
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FJ VG10 would be the better one overall. VG1 probably has less edge retention but is tougher by a slight margin.

Takamura has several OEMs, Hitohira T10 for VG10, and TP for Sg2. Tsubaya has its own brand of knife. Also one on your link is another OEM version.
 
I found myself making this decision recently and ended up with a hammered VG10 Takamura 150. I wanted to try a Chromax 150 but they don't make one. I have the R2 210 gyuto and while I like it a lot, I thought trying a different steel from Takamura would be fun. I know that VG10 isn't the most exciting steel in the world, but since Echizen/Takefu is the birthplace of VG10 and Takamura do a great job, I thought their VG10 would be a good benchmark to experience.

I also strongly considered a Mac Pro and Gesshin Stainless which cost less and have more durable steel. I am sure I would have been happy with either of those as well (and many of the knives already mentioned in this thread) but I wanted something for delicate precision work and it's hard to beat a Takamura, especially for less than $120.
 
btbyrd said:
I found myself making this decision recently and ended up with a hammered VG10 Takamura 150. I wanted to try a Chromax 150 but they don't make one. I have the R2 210 gyuto and while I like it a lot, I thought trying a different steel from Takamura would be fun. I know that VG10 isn't the most exciting steel in the world, but since Echizen/Takefu is the birthplace of VG10 and Takamura do a great job, I thought their VG10 would be a good benchmark to experience.

I also strongly considered a Mac Pro and Gesshin Stainless which cost less and have more durable steel. I am sure I would have been happy with either of those as well (and many of the knives already mentioned in this thread) but I wanted something for delicate precision work and it's hard to beat a Takamura, especially for less than $120.
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I love my Gesshin stainless, thinned a bit but still takes a beating, for no board work AUS-8 last long enough.
 
blokey said:
I love my Gesshin stainless, thinned a bit but still takes a beating, for no board work AUS-8 last long enough.
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Agreed. Gesshin stainless is great! I just rehandled mine today.
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rickbern said:
I can’t work out why takamura would allow a vendor to undercut the price like that and sell an identical product. Doesn’t make sense to me. Have no real knowledge of this particular product though.
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I think that vendor has some sort of special relationship with Takamura and the price is not that much cheaper.

I think meesterslijpers are much more aggressive with their pricing for many Takamura knives.

P.S.: The Takamura VG10 Petty is also a great option, but I haven't tested that many petty knives yet.
 
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Taffalito said:
Ended up ordering the Sugimoto. It better be good, feels like I paid through the nose for it.

On another note, how bad or good might this Hezhen petty knife actually be for 30 €? Could it really be made out of real Sandvik 14C28N steel?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...p_id=20240101122534578896832871900004907057_6
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Xinzuo/Hezhen (same company) makes good knives. I'm not a fan of that handle though. I have one and it feels awkward.

I've tried a bunch of Chinese knives and so far this Xinzuo has been my favorite. 10Cr15CoMoV steel is the Chinese equivalent of VG10. Grind, fit & finish, and edge retention have all been great.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804302369234.html
 
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