Thoughts on gyutohikis?

[AT5760]

I’ve been low key obsessed with the 10” Forgie that I got from a member here for about six months. The extra length, lowish heel height and relatively light weight are a huge draw.

That’s got me looking at similar knives, which I guess would be Sakai 270s and longer gyutohikis.

Do people like this style? What do you see as pros and cons? Favorite makers?

Maybe I’m just being contrarian, but all of these 230x58s out there give me an itch for a 255x48.

 

[enrico]

Gyutohiki and funayuki are the best profiles IMO

Love my forgie too. Most used knife at the house

 

[Vertigo]

280-290x48, pointy as hell with a stupid flat back third, could easily be my only knife for 90% of what my jobs demand. Gyutohiki for life (but good luck finding one with those specs).

 

[jakuda]

japanese knife imports has a gesshin ginga gyutohiki profile which seems useful for restaurant tasks during service. 240 (229) x40

https://www.japaneseknifeimports.co...inga-240mm-stainless-wa-gyuto-sujihiki-hybrid

 

[Barmoley]

I like them, but they don’t seem to be popular, yet many like KS profile which is 255x48-49 usually. I really liked Mizuno version of it that is about the same. Every time I use these profiles I think they are great, but very hard to sell and since I am a perpetual rotator of knives I tend not to buy them unless it is something special. The popularity of very high heels relative to length has baffled me ever since I started in this hobby because from the very beginning I thought that lower heels have certain benefits and the over all shape is better. I’ve since learned that there are some benefits to somewhat higher heels as well and yet I am still baffled by the popularity of very high heels.

 

[spaceconvoy]

I’ve been low key obsessed with the 10” Forgie that I got from a member here for about six months. The extra length, lowish heel height and relatively light weight are a huge draw.

That’s got me looking at similar knives, which I guess would be Sakai 270s and longer gyutohikis.

Do people like this style? What do you see as pros and cons? Favorite makers?

Maybe I’m just being contrarian, but all of these 230x58s out there give me an itch for a 255x48.

255x48 is considered a gyutohiki now?? what is the world coming to

that's just a gyuto! as barmoley noted, it's the exact dimensions as the most popular gyuto in the forums at one time, the masamoto ks

smh at this heel height shaming of perfectly normal gyutos

 

[Heckel7302]

Closest thing I have is a Mazaki suji that is 270x42. Gyutohiki? Maybe, I don’t mind doing gyuto stuff with it.

 

[Jovidah]

255x48 is just a normal gyuto, if maybe a bit on the low side. But that's almost a KS...which is still my favorite profile. Anything above 50mm just gets in the way for me. I actually have an Arcos knife thats 250x45 and it's really pleasant in use.

Going lower than 45 is...eh... not necessarily my cup of tea? And why would you buy that anyway; over years of sharpening that's where your knives will eventually end up anyway...

240x50 used to be the 'standard' gyuto size for decades. I don't know why this high heel height took over in the last couple of years. Maybe there's more women here after all...

 

[Jovidah]

Closest thing I have is a Mazaki suji that is 270x42. Gyutohiki? Maybe, I don’t mind going gyuto stuff with it.

Mine is similar but I'd really just consider it a tall-ish sujihiki.

 

[bsfsu]

The popularity of very high heels relative to length has baffled me ever since I started in this hobby because from the very beginning I thought that lower heels have certain benefits and the over all shape is better. I’ve since learned that there are some benefits to somewhat higher heels as well and yet I am still baffled by the popularity of very high heels.

I agree, and as I've said before if you use a 50mm+ Gyuto it feels like a knife with training wheels.

 

[AT5760]

So, you’re saying that I need to try one of these? https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/masamoto-2017-ks-250mm-gyuto-w-saya.64293/

 

[Barmoley]

So, you’re saying that I need to try one of these? https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/masamoto-2017-ks-250mm-gyuto-w-saya.64293/

Everyone should try a KS, I am not a fan of the steel, but other than that it is a good knife. Better yet, i was very impressed with one of these when the prices were a bit lower, maybe you can find a used one.

 

[Heckel7302]

Mine is similar but I'd really just consider it a tall-ish sujihiki.

I mean, fair, but isn’t a tallish sujihiki exactly what a gyutohiki is?

 

[AT5760]

@Barmoley those do look nice.

I’ve seen some B2 Itsuo Doi knives that would also fit the bill too, but those don’t seem to be sold anymore.

 

[Barmoley]

@Barmoley those do look nice.

I’ve seen some B2 Itsuo Doi knives that would also fit the bill too, but those don’t seem to be sold anymore.

Yeah but they were kind of chunky, right profile but not the grind. I had this Mizuno KS https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/show-your-newest-knife-buy.7655/page-498#post-656127 really liked it should have probably kept it

 

[spaceconvoy]

@Barmoley those do look nice.

I’ve seen some B2 Itsuo Doi knives that would also fit the bill too, but those don’t seem to be sold anymore.

i have one, it is verrry chunky. also a little short, iirc more like 245x48? but excellent heat treat on the steel. could be the perfect knife for someone but not me

 

[user 37848]

42-45mm height is in my wheelhouse so I'm a fan of the gyutohiki or even just using a suji for everything

 

[blokey]

I have some Sanetty, 165 x 40mm things, pretty fun

 

[Stevem627]

I’m just about to come up for a custom from Eddworks. I’m thinking about doing a 265 x 43 k-tip gyutohiki in Apex Ultra. I have never had anything like it.

 

[AT5760]

Do it! I’m further down his list and was thinking about something similar.

Or maybe a big nakiri.

 

[MowgFace]

I definitely like Gyuji profiles. I have actually ground down a handful of knives to the 40-45mm as my shorties.

For all of the 55+ gyuto lovers out there, go find a 47-50mm tall one. That's what we feel with 40-45.

 

[esoo]

There is a certain irony in that fact that gyutos used to be short, then people asked for taller, and now we need to create a new name for short gyutos.

 

[jaydee]

Like narrower knives myself. Bought a 260x50 that i love and eventually get the 240x46 too (Kanehide Bessaku)

I’ve seen some B2 Itsuo Doi knives that would also fit the bill too, but those don’t seem to be sold anymore.

Itsuo doi 240x47 B2

 

[instantramen]

Just came across this thread, and just picked up the Gesshin Ginga gyutohiki. I really love the shape and it strikes a nice balance between efficiency on gyuto tasks and petty-like precision on slicing tasks. I like that it doesn't take much space when I put it down but also that it feels pretty similar to my other gyutos in use.

I even compared it against my Kagekiyo, for example, and the blade height from the base of the choil isn't too dissimilar between them -- the height from the spine to the base of the choil before it curves down into cutting edge is what adds the last mm of extra height.

 

[aporigine]

i have one, it is verrry chunky. also a little short, iirc more like 245x48? but excellent heat treat on the steel. could be the perfect knife for someone but not me

Here are my two Dois. They are very different. “Kate” has that elegant slender-shouldered true KS elegance.
“Laura” marches to the beat of a different drummer. Thicker, shorter, chestier.

Sorry about the choil shot; doing two at once ain easy.
(That’s Kate Hepburn and Laura San Giacomo, case anyone had doubts.)

vs.

 

[Stevem627]

I’ll be dropping a few pics soon since Eddie is about to start my gyutohiki. 44 x 270 52100 with ironwood handle due about July 4th…I’m sooooo excited.

 

[AT5760]

Looking forward to seeking that!

 

[HumbleHomeCook]

Here are my two Dois. They are very different. “Kate” has that elegant slender-shouldered true KS elegance.
“Laura” marches to the beat of a different drummer. Thicker, shorter, chestier.

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Sorry about the choil shot; doing two at once ain easy.
(That’s Kate Hepburn and Laura San Giacomo, case anyone had doubts.)

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Quigley Down Under. Outstanding movie!

 

[aporigine]

Quigley Downunder. Outstanding movie!

It is the one movie I know of her. Her character was fun-loving, a bit rustic and still the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I read a delightful TV Guide-style thumbnail that described the film as “starring a Sharps .45-120-540 and costarring Tom Selleck.”

 

[HumbleHomeCook]

I know it's a 210 but this would be high on my list for consideration...

https://knifejapan.com/ikenami-hamono-wa-gyuto-210mm/