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When I was in India 1991 would take those little yellow mopeds with a small two person bench seat in back. Having rode motorcycles & bicycles on road I was still white knuckle in fear that we were going to get run over in Madras city.
 
HumbleHomeCook said:
Well, they own the place so I reckon they can do as they please. Anyone can call any standard they don't like arbitrary.
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Regardless of this particular issue, it seems that standards are arbitrary pretty much all the time, whether I like them or not. Once upon a time, it was a crime to be homosexual, women were not allowed to vote, it was OK for teachers to hit children at school, and driving with 0.08% blood alcohol was perfectly fine.

There is a German word "geil", which means "good" or "great". Today, you hear and read that word continuously. On TV, in newspapers, in common speech—it is everywhere. When I was a teenager in the seventies, no-one ever spoke that word in even semi-polite company. It was truly one of those no-no words. Back then, it meant sexual arousal. If you wanted to hear that word, you pretty much had to watch a blue movie. You would not hear it almost anywhere else. Over time, that word morphed to its current meaning, and no-one raises an eyebrow any longer. I suspect that people born after 1980 or so would not even be aware that it once had a different meaning.

Standards change. What was once unacceptable may well be acceptable now, and vice versa. The American obsession with swearwords is something that bemuses people from overseas. No-one in Europe bleeps out anything. In the US, TV stations bleep out even mild four-letter words. As if this would somehow better the American population. I find this both strange and authoritarian, the opposite of liberal. As if the censorship would change anything, which doesn't, I believe.

Personally, I don't feel any need for the filter to be removed because I generally don't swear, and definitely don't swear in public forums. Yet, I feel I'm mature enough to be able to deal with someone else doing the swearing. I would prefer not to have anyone "protect" me from exposure to something that is commonplace and can be heard in the streets and in pubs all over the US.
 
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Michi said:
Regardless of this particular issue, it seems that standards are arbitrary pretty much all the time, whether I like them or not. Once upon a time, it was a crime to be homosexual, women were not allowed to vote, it was OK for teachers to hit children at school, and driving with 0.08% blood alcohol was perfectly fine.

There is a German word "geil", which means "good" or "great". Today, you hear and read that word continuously. On TV, in newspapers, in common speech—it is everywhere. When I was a teenager in the seventies, no-one ever spoke that word in even semi-polite company. It was truly one of those no-no words. Back then, it meant sexual arousal. If you wanted to hear that word, you pretty much had to watch a blue movie. You would not hear it almost anywhere else. Over time, that word morphed to its current meaning, and no-one raises an eyebrow any longer. I suspect that people born after 1980 or so would not even be aware that it once had a different meaning.

Standards change. What was once unacceptable may well be acceptable now, and vice versa. The American obsession with swearwords is something that bemuses people from overseas. No-one in Europe bleeps out anything. In the US, TV stations bleep out even mild four-letter words. As if this would somehow better the American population. I find that both strange and authoritarian, the opposite of liberal. As if the censorship would change anything, which doesn't, I believe.

Personally, I don't feel any need for the filter to be removed because I generally don't swear, and definitely don't swear in public forums. Yet, I feel I'm mature enough to be able to deal with someone else doing the swearing. I would prefer not to have anyone "protect" me from exposure to something that is commonplace and can be heard in the streets and in pubs all over the US.
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I don't care.
 
Michi said:
Regardless of this particular issue, it seems that standards are arbitrary pretty much all the time, whether I like them or not. Once upon a time, it was a crime to be homosexual, women were not allowed to vote, it was OK for teachers to hit children at school, and driving with 0.08% blood alcohol was perfectly fine.

There is a German word "geil", which means "good" or "great". Today, you hear and read that word continuously. On TV, in newspapers, in common speech—it is everywhere. When I was a teenager in the seventies, no-one ever spoke that word in even semi-polite company. It was truly one of those no-no words. Back then, it meant sexual arousal. If you wanted to hear that word, you pretty much had to watch a blue movie. You would not hear it almost anywhere else. Over time, that word morphed to its current meaning, and no-one raises an eyebrow any longer. I suspect that people born after 1980 or so would not even be aware that it once had a different meaning.

Standards change. What was once unacceptable may well be acceptable now, and vice versa. The American obsession with swearwords is something that bemuses people from overseas. No-one in Europe bleeps out anything. In the US, TV stations bleep out even mild four-letter words. As if this would somehow better the American population. I find that both strange and authoritarian, the opposite of liberal. As if the censorship would change anything, which doesn't, I believe.

Personally, I don't feel any need for the filter to be removed because I generally don't swear, and definitely don't swear in public forums. Yet, I feel I'm mature enough to be able to deal with someone else doing the swearing. I would prefer not to have anyone "protect" me from exposure to something that is commonplace and can be heard in the streets and in pubs all over the US.
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It is because English swearing in the US is mediocre and uninspired. Just relatively few words that you can't even string together in anything worthy. In the US people are just embarrassed of how rudimentary the swearing is, so they blip it out or censor.
 
Barmoley said:
In the US people are just embarrassed of how rudimentary the swearing is, so they blip it out or censor.
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Ah, so they are just bleeping out their own ineptitude. Makes me wonder which makes a more profound statement, not being able to handle swear words, or not being able to handle embarrassment… ;)
 
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Michi said:
Just the usual stuck-up puritan American holier-than-though thing, I expect.
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Michi said:
Ah, so they are just bleeping out their own ineptitude. Makes me wonder which makes a more profound statement, not being able to handle swear words, or not being able to handle embarrassment… ;)
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I find it disgusting but sadly not unsurprising that you so readily disparage my nationality. I no longer find you to be a serious person. If you want that in swear words that I know how to use and am not embarrassed about, just let me know.
 
Michi said:
Just the usual stuck-up puritan American holier-than-though thing, I expect
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HumbleHomeCook said:
I find it disgusting but sadly not unsurprising that you so readily disparage my nationality. I no longer find you to be a serious person. If you want that in swear words that I know how to use and am not embarrassed about, just let me know.
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Case in point?
 
This is a Bavarian joke swear word. It strings together a whole bunch of swear words such that the ending sound of each word matches the starting sound of the next one. It's old, funny, and a classic. The Germans here will know it :)

Himmihergottsakramentzefixhallelujamileckstamarscheissglumpvarreckts!
 
ethompson said:
In general, knives should have at most one gaudy element. Gaudy elements inlcude:
  • Mirror polish
  • fancy handle (dyed, exotic burls, mammoth molar, etc)
  • a handle with more than two visual elements
  • hamon
  • Damascus (cladding or pattern welded blade)
  • unusual dimensions or shape
  • custom engraving or stamp
Sometimes, when deployed tastefully, two of the above elements can work together and be acceptable, albeit a bit flash for regular use.

Three or more is just tacky.
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Wow, I think I hate you
 
ethompson said:
In general, knives should have at most one gaudy element. Gaudy elements inlcude:
  • Mirror polish
  • fancy handle (dyed, exotic burls, mammoth molar, etc)
  • a handle with more than two visual elements
  • hamon
  • Damascus (cladding or pattern welded blade)
  • unusual dimensions or shape
  • custom engraving or stamp
Sometimes, when deployed tastefully, two of the above elements can work together and be acceptable, albeit a bit flash for regular use.

Three or more is just tacky.
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Do it
 
Michi said:
Regardless of this particular issue, it seems that standards are arbitrary pretty much all the time, whether I like them or not. Once upon a time, it was a crime to be homosexual, women were not allowed to vote, it was OK for teachers to hit children at school, and driving with 0.08% blood alcohol was perfectly fine.

There is a German word "geil", which means "good" or "great". Today, you hear and read that word continuously. On TV, in newspapers, in common speech—it is everywhere. When I was a teenager in the seventies, no-one ever spoke that word in even semi-polite company. It was truly one of those no-no words. Back then, it meant sexual arousal. If you wanted to hear that word, you pretty much had to watch a blue movie. You would not hear it almost anywhere else. Over time, that word morphed to its current meaning, and no-one raises an eyebrow any longer. I suspect that people born after 1980 or so would not even be aware that it once had a different meaning.

Standards change. What was once unacceptable may well be acceptable now, and vice versa. The American obsession with swearwords is something that bemuses people from overseas. No-one in Europe bleeps out anything. In the US, TV stations bleep out even mild four-letter words. As if this would somehow better the American population. I find this both strange and authoritarian, the opposite of liberal. As if the censorship would change anything, whidoesn't, I believ
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Not worth ranting about nothing will change . Anyways I appreciate your points and thank you from the history lesson. Very interesting and yes I do believe in a philosophical construct theory in many cases. We create reality around us by how we define and categorize things through our perception of “reality” not to say that there are not scientific truths.
 
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HumbleHomeCook said:
I find it disgusting but sadly not unsurprising that you so readily disparage my nationality. I no longer find you to be a serious person. If you want that in swear words that I know how to use and am not embarrassed about, just let me know.
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America is the greatest country on earth. But also the greatest country to make fun of on earth (other than the French and Brit*sh).
 
in my neck of the woods, a naked person on film does not warrant an R rating, until that naked person starts killing people that is. and im very good with that.

swearing it is not bad or poor language. a limited vocabulary is though. i taught my kid that its good to know as many ways of speaking and writing as possible – just don't mix them up, and learn what is appropriate or unnecessary (although if my kid would start cussing in room full of bigots i'd thoroughly enjoy it i'm afraid].)

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jaydee said:
Noise
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I'm not American. But America is more than its President, Congress etc. It's a huge diverse place where people of very differing views coexist very peacefully for the most part. It's a place of opportunity (people argue over immigration and borders, but there's a reason people want to get there, legally and illegally) and one of incredible inventive and economic dynamism.

Could it be better, sure, but beneath the politics etc etc it's a pretty amazing place of wealth creation and innovation; ultimately the world is much better off for it. No other country holds a candle to it in that regard. You or I might prefer the politics of France or the lifestyle in the South of Italy, but looking 5, 10, 20, 50, years ahead, the things that will most change the world for the better will largely come from America.

Having said that, Americans are giant prudes and need to lighten up. Can't drink till you're 21? No breasts on free to air TV? Sounds like hell, no wonder they all work all the time.
 
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Michi said:
This is a Bavarian joke swear word. It strings together a whole bunch of swear words such that the ending sound of each word matches the starting sound of the next one. It's old, funny, and a classic. The Germans here will know it :)

Himmihergottsakramentzefixhallelujamileckstamarscheissglumpvarreckts!
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I know it, it's used in Austria too ;-)
(the grandpa of one of my life long friends used it)
 
JB1 said:
I'm not American. But America is more than its President, Congress etc. It's a huge diverse place where people of very differing views coexist very peacefully for the most part. It's a place of opportunity (people argue over immigration and borders, but there's a reason people want to get there, legally and illegally) and one of incredible inventive and economic dynamism.

Could it be better, sure, but beneath the politics etc etc it's a pretty amazing place of wealth creation and innovation; ultimately the world is much better off for it. No other country holds a candle to it in that regard. You or I might prefer the politics of France or the lifestyle in the South of Italy, but looking 5, 10, 20, 50, years ahead, the things that will most change the world for the better will largely come from America.

Having said that, Americans are giant prudes and need to lighten up. Can't drink till you're 21? No breasts on free to air TV? Sounds like hell, no wonder they all work all the time.
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I beg to differ, that amazing place thing only counts for those that manage and neglects the huge disparity, I tend to think that a country like f.e. Norway or Switzerland does FAR better when averaging all of their population and taking into account social welfare situation for those not making shitloads of Kroner or Franks.

Yet indeed, the dual standard in the US always gets me, titty bars galore, endless porn is produced and likely 'consumed'.
 
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