Michi, he was joking ...
are you sure? I’m not.
Michi, he was joking ...
are you sure? I’m not.
And the oil?You forgot about the snake
Lol. Screw em. It’s been pretty clear by now what common step measures are to be taken to reduce the spread. Can’t fix stupid.I have to say that I'm worried about the consequence of all the protests over the past ten days or so. These could turn out to be very expensive protests, indeed. I guess we'll find out starting around 15 June or so. I really, really hope that this isn't going to cause a huge spike
The climate-change-denying right is often ridiculed, correctly, for politicizing science. Yet the way the public health narrative around coronavirus has reversed itself overnight seems an awful lot like … politicizing science.
What are we to make of such whiplash-inducing messaging? Merely pointing out the inconsistency in such a polarized landscape feels like an act of heresy. But “‘Your gatherings are a threat, mine aren’t,’ is fundamentally illogical, no matter who says it or for what reason,” as the author of The Death of Expertise, Tom Nichols, put it.
Hey @Michi,
Did you catch this article?
We often accuse the right of distorting science. But the left changed the coronavirus narrative overnight
He paints the 'left' and 'right' with too broad a brush. People can hold a complex mix of political and social beliefs. But there are some interesting perspectives there:
It is a terribly complex situation. While I support movements against racism... it does seem like these protests could dent the authority of public heath experts. Not in the obvious violation of of best practice, but in the complacency it inspires. Why bother trying to fight the pandemic if there are riots in the streets? And who gets to choose what is worth breaking health orders over? Ok... So if am a supporter of equality and I get to break the rules... shouldn't the weirdo 5G antivaxers get to break the rules without scorn?
... I dunno... it is a complex mess... people are tired, poor, sick, marginalised
The audit follows a Guardian investigation that found the company, Surgisphere, used suspect data in major scientific studies that were published and then retracted by world-leading medical journals, including the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine.
Further inquiries by the Guardian into Surgisphere and its founder and chief executive, Dr Sapan Desai, have confirmed that:
• Major institutions including Stanford University, which were described as research partners on the Surgisphere website, said they were not aware of any formal relationship with the company.
• A study that formed the basis of Desai’s PhD may contain doctored images, according to expert claims, and the global medical publishing company Elsevier is conducting a review of his papers published in its journals.
• Claims made by Desai about his qualifications gained since his medical degree have been called into doubt, including his claims to hold two PhDs, a master’s, and affiliations with major universities and colleges. Some of these affiliations have now been removed from his website and online profiles.
The blockbuster Lancet study based on Surgisphere data led to global trials of hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 being halted in May, because it appeared to show the drug increased deaths in Covid-19 patients.
A spokeswoman for the University of Utah said it was not aware of any institutional relationship.
Harvard University medical school also said it had “no formal research agreements or partnerships” with Surgisphere
The University of Minnesota said it had no record of anyone at the university collaborating with Surgisphere.
Both the University of Glasgow and Stanford told the Guardian they were not aware of any relationship with Surgisphere.
... results were shared via a press release, which the study’s lead authors shared on Twitter. They have not been peer-reviewed or published in a medical journal.
... fears that Covid-19 is not prevalent enough in wider society...
I just read it, thanks!
I've been a peer reviewer for a number of computer science journals, including some highly respected ones (IEEE Internet Computing, CACM, etc.) that are comparable to The Lancet in terms of influence.1) Author of this paper has (apparently) completely fabricated backgound...going back maybe 10 years
2) Company sourcing the data is ALSO fabricated... with fake/underqualified employees
3) Study is also almost surely also phony...
But WHY? And HOW does this BS make it thru peer review at JAMA and LANCET?
I agree, this really is complex. It is unfortunate that people decided to finally protest against the mis-treatment of black people at a time when doing mass protests is a really bad idea. It is unfortunate, but possibly no coincidence: with so many people out of work, there is plenty of time to go protesting instead. (Conjecture on my part; I have no data to support this idea, but I suspect that the unemployment rate is a contributing factor, as is the pent-up anger about being having to isolate, feeling unsafe, and getting shafted by a virus.)
I suspect that this call was made because state governments knew that people would protest anyway. And then they would have had to deal with tens of thousands of "crimes", not to mention getting accused of being racist. The police force would have been completely overwhelmed, and lots of perfectly respectable citizens would have been criminalised. It was a pragmatic call to allow the protests; I don't think there was any other realistic option. People power in action…
Do tell us all about it, please!Y’all, I just heard of this cool new drug called hydroxychloroquine! It’s supposed to be a miracle cure.
Fortunately, it appears that the protests did, in fact, not cause a spike.I have to say that I'm worried about the consequence of all the protests over the past ten days or so. These could turn out to be very expensive protests, indeed. I guess we'll find out starting around 15 June or so. I really, really hope that this isn't going to cause a huge spike
The US has 4% of the world's population, and 25% of coronavirus infections.
In my state and county web sites accurate numbers can be hard to find. Recently they eliminated all data from the graph back to 6/10. It has been restored.I will give the articles a read.
When I read the USA had reached 42,000 cases in a single day I thought about this...
Surely it has to be some bizarre mixture of broken and functional? The country is rich enough to afford testing and medical care (though I acknowledge this isn't universal). It is also democratic enough to have reasonably transparent reporting. Yet the social and political fabric is under strain and it is affecting mitigation strategies.
Surely this is a case of less democratic and transparent governments not publishing the true extent of their infection numbers? If not... then somebody should tell our friends they don't have to be the best at everything.
Documented/ confirmed cases...The US has 4% of the world's population, and 25% of coronavirus infections.
It seems very odd that our government (California) is claiming that protests are not the cause of the spikes in cases. ...
I am sure the rise is a combination of everything. I am just baffled by, for example bike path closures. Most people that bike don't hang out together and drink as far as I can tell. I don't bike, so could be wrong. I also read that contact tracing in CA is very unreliable and limited. I also question if people who protested and got sick would honestly say where they got sick or give up their contacts. I am also assuming that many protesters also have other group activities outside of protests, as I know people that knew each other would get together and drive to protests in the same cars to the protest sites to limit problems with parking. I also personally saw people standing around in large groups for hours, very close to each other while protesting, very few masks were worn since there was a lot of chanting and slogan screaming, so claims that protesters were moving briskly is just not universally true.The reports of this I've seen come from various health agencies and are based on contact tracing of confirmed cases. I admit to being surprised the protests didn't (apparently) cause spread. I don't think the beach & trail closures relate much to the spread out recreational uses but rather the clustered together hanging out drinking without masks, social distancing, in groups outside your immediate households that have been photographed and widely reported. At some point closures become symbolic efforts to emphasize the seriousness of the infection. In Sacramento & Orange County private parties have been identified as the major transmission points. I haven't seen equivalent reports for the other hot(-ter) spots we have, but based on national reports I wouldn't be surprised if LA, here in Santa Clara Co, etc. don't have similar problems.
Documented/ confirmed cases...
Many countries are not doing much testing, and are known to have much higher rates then the official numbers. Mexico is a big one. And some/ many of the central Asian countries (my wife has relatives in Tajikistan, and it's been pretty bad in their capital). Russia's honestly has been debated a bit lately as well.
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